CFN: Top 11 G5 Expansion Candidates

[Cantstandza]

The Big 10 wanted the Los Angeles Market after consulting with media rights for the networks. Now they are awaiting Notre Dame's answer. Oregon and Washington could be next, but until Notre Dame makes their decision, there's no invitation at this point.

Big 10 always made so much sense for ND. This is the right time to do it.

[CajunT]

Since the Big10 is looking at media markets, I would think they might look at Stanford and Cal for the San Francisco / Silicon Valley market, not to mention AAU schools (a Big 10 criteria) as West Coast travel partners over Seattle and Portland.

Stanford would bring the San Francisco market, but this all depends upon how many programs the Big 10 wants to add. This recent move was motivated by the answers they received from the media consultants. Clearly, they are targeting the markets and programs that would bring them upwards of $100M per, in a new media package. Notre Dame is one of those schools they have on their short list. If Stanford and Cal Berkeley weren't identified by those consultants, they won't be looked at regardless of markets.

[Rainman66]

The Big 10 wanted the Los Angeles Market after consulting with media rights for the networks. Now they are awaiting Notre Dame's answer. Oregon and Washington could be next, but until Notre Dame makes their decision, there's no invitation at this point.

Doubt UCLA & USC want Oregon, Stanford or Washington to come with them. They can sell recruits on B10 membership much like TAMU did with SEC membership.

PAC is in a world of hurt right now. Media deal up next year, making it difficult to hold current ‘hot’ properties and/or attract new ones.

Honestly, B12 is probably the most stable as they don’t have any schools now that conferences absolutely covet. Odd turn of events.

[Turbine]

Enrollment has been in a downward trend.

What year was it that admission standards were raised?

[GeauxCajuns]

I feel like we did the whole media market thing a few years back and it all back fired. Why are they doing that same song and dance now.

Also in regards to media rights, if that is the reason they went after LA, why would they bring in both LA schools. Wouldn’t that be like paying 2 for 1. If you have to pay both UCLA and USC to come
Over but they are only delivering 1 market, it doesn’t make much sense to me.

[Boomer]

I feel like we did the whole media market thing a few years back and it all back fired. Why are they doing that same song and dance now.

Also in regards to media rights, if that is the reason they went after LA, why would they bring in both LA schools. Wouldn’t that be like paying 2 for 1. If you have to pay both UCLA and USC to come
Over but they are only delivering 1 market, it doesn’t make much sense to me.

……travel partners……LA so big it can have Both teams!

[CAJUNJUDO]

Big 10 always made so much sense for ND. This is the right time to do it.

I always thought the same, but after learning some history behind the whole ordeal, if I were Notre Dame’s fans and administrators, I think I would reject the invite.

After all, it was the Big 10 along with Fielding Yost who spurned multiple attempts from Notre Dame joining many, many years ago. I grew up loathing their team because I never understood why they were chosen to have their own tv network. They didn’t choose it, it just developed and formed over the years from their hardened fanbase doing everything they could to remain relevant. I’d say that they’ve done very well for themselves being an independent after the prejudice they had to endure.

[cajun4life]

https://collegefootballnews.com/2022/07/...onferences

Saw this article about G5 expansion candidates and wondered why UL is not included. I wouldn't mind posting that UL should be added as a 12th school, commenting on each of the criteria. I imagine several other schools might want to claim that as well.

Here are the key categories …

Enrollment: At least 20,000. The school has to be big – no SMU.

Alumni Base: Where are the national eyeballs? In a streaming world, this is a big deal.

Media Market: This matters more than anything else.

US News & World Report Latest Ranking: How good is your school? This matters more than you might think.

AAU Member: Are you part of the Association of American Universities? This is a big deal to the Big Ten. To cut to the chase, no one on this list is.

Tier 1 Research: Are you an elite research school with all the stuff that comes with that? This one can be bent a little bit – Notre Dame isn’t, and Nebraska was, but isn’t now.

Stadium Size: Not a deal breaker, but having a big house is nice.

Why is UL not in consideration? Would anyone argue for/against UL?

4 of the schools are not Tier 1, yet still considered, i.e. Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, E. Carolina.

The major category UL is not meeting is enrollment. We have over 19,000 enrolled, but I'm not sure if that includes "on-line" students, which it should. We need to start showing 20,000 as a round figure, not just for this but for overall perception.

We seat over 41,000, so we have an on-campus stadium size than is right there with the top schools, the only larger one being E. Carolina. Only larger stadiums are pro stadiums.

Attendance is not a listed criteria.

I don't know what our alumni base and media market size are. Can someone post?

We are Tier 1, but not ranked as high under USN&WR, something that can be argued as not nearly a significant ranking.

Our location is a huge advantage.

Likely P5 conference - Big 12.

We only have 13,700ish undergrad students and 2700ish graduate students.

For reference SMU has 12000 undergrad and 5600 graduate students.

[cajun4life]

What year was it that admission standards were raised?

1999 I think.

[CajunT]

I feel like we did the whole media market thing a few years back and it all back fired. Why are they doing that same song and dance now.

Also in regards to media rights, if that is the reason they went after LA, why would they bring in both LA schools. Wouldn’t that be like paying 2 for 1. If you have to pay both UCLA and USC to come
Over but they are only delivering 1 market, it doesn’t make much sense to me.

Two reasons, they share a market of over 13M people, and USC needed a travel partner. They have a long term rivalry, it makes sense. Washington and Oregon are not travel partners for either school.