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    Quote Originally Posted by crazycajun View Post
    Lose, or they will steal an at large spot. Hopefully Georgia southern can beat Georgia tech, USM beat ole miss and south al beat uno tonight. Need our previous opponents to get their ___ together.
    Well, ya. I wish it came down to run differential like in soccer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaginDave View Post
    Iím assuming we want georgia southern to beat ga tech tonight. uSA UNO was canceled. And ULM plays jackson state. We obviously want them to win.
    Affirmative. It may also help remove Georgia Tech from consideration.

    Brian

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    GoneGolfin/Brian,

    In what worst case scenario do you see Louisiana as an at large? As in, what is the very worse we can do the rest of the way, including the Conference Tournament, to get an at large?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainDew View Post
    RPI is frustrating. I think overall I would say itís a good ranking system. But when it hurts, it really hurts. 9-1 in our last 10 games but dropping every day. I think we were as high as 38th in the last couple week? Now down to 56 and Iím sure will drop further even with a win tonight. That sucks.
    RPI is 25% your record, 25% your opponents, and 50 % opponents of your opponents. Such a system that is so heavily weighted on who you play and even more so on who they play is deeply flawed. It does not reward how you play nearly enough. A 34/33/33 breakdown would be much more appropriate. Others have made the same observation in the past but it won't change as it gives the schools in the high profile leagues an advantage over those who have less of a favorable schedule situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    RPI is 25% your record, 25% your opponents, and 50 % opponents of your opponents. Such a system that is so heavily weighted on who you play and even more so on who they play is deeply flawed. It does not reward how you play nearly enough. A 34/33/33 breakdown would be much more appropriate. Others have made the same observation in the past but it won't change as it gives the schools in the high profile leagues an advantage over those who have less of a favorable schedule situation.
    I think you have those percentages swapped

  6. UL Baseball Re: Regional Projection 5-11

    Quote Originally Posted by Cajunsmike View Post
    RPI is 25% your record, 25% your opponents, and 50 % opponents of your opponents. Such a system that is so heavily weighted on who you play and even more so on who they play is deeply flawed. It does not reward how you play nearly enough. A 34/33/33 breakdown would be much more appropriate. Others have made the same observation in the past but it won't change as it gives the schools in the high profile leagues an advantage over those who have less of a favorable schedule situation.
    No, it is 50% your opponent's WP and 25% your opponent's opponents' WP.

    One of the significant problems is that it is too heavily weighted on your opponent's WP, without regard to how strong their respective schedule is. The opposite of what you state above. But it is more than that.

    A 34/33/33 breakdown also does not improve it much. It is more of a problem with how many levels the formula descends than the weights of the fixed three level formula. You will never arrive at a reasonable approximation of strength with three levels. The RPI is a pedestrian formula that never should have lasted as long as it has. As a mathematician and researcher in machine learning and artificial intelligence (statistical learning), I actually feel it is an embarrassment to the field of statistics.

    Brian (1981 called and it wants its RPI formula back)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneGolfin View Post
    No, it is 50% your opponent's WP and 25% your opponent's opponents' WP.

    One of the significant problems is that it is too heavily weighted on your opponent's WP, without regard to how strong their respective schedule is. The opposite of what you state above. But it is more than that.

    A 34/33/33 breakdown also does not improve it much. It is more of a problem with how many levels the formula descends than the weights of the fixed three level formula. You will never arrive at a reasonable approximation of strength with three levels. The RPI is a pedestrian formula that never should have lasted as long as it has. As a mathematician and researcher in machine learning and artificial intelligence (statistical learning), I actually feel it is an embarrassment to the field of statistics.

    Brian (1981 called and it wants its RPI formula back)
    Brian, can you elaborate more on what a better formula would look like? How many levels would you recommend and what other statistical formulas would you factor in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneGolfin View Post
    Affirmative. It may also help remove Georgia Tech from consideration.

    Brian
    Tech 13-12 winner. GATA RPI 10.

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    Jacob81 is online now Ragin Cajuns of Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns Fan for Sure

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    Another bad night in the belt. Sunbelt conference rpi has gone from 5th to 8th in 2 weeks. Cusa, Missouri valley, and AAC have all moved passed us. Not much time to catch back up. With that said, a 5th ranked conf can get 3 maybe even 4 teams in. 8th place conf probably 2 teams maybe 3 if the tourney winner is an upset. I think it’s time to win “3 games in March” or win out.


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    Peaking at a good time. Win tourny, get in. No math required.


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    Just win the f’n tournament and be done with it


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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Buds View Post
    GoneGolfin/Brian,

    In what worst case scenario do you see Louisiana as an at large? As in, what is the very worse we can do the rest of the way, including the Conference Tournament, to get an at large?
    That is not really possible to fully answer due to circumstances outside of the control of the Cajuns' play. But I can offer a realistic scenario that would provide an opportunity for an at-large bid ... that would also have some on this board gnashing their teeth as they would come to the conclusion that the sky is falling and that it is tournament title or bust.

    Let's say that the Cajuns lose 2/3 to Texas State, beat Nicholls, and take 2/3 vs. Little Rock. That would be finishing 4-3 with only one win in San Marcos.

    Then we have the Cajuns beat Troy in the conference tournament opener ... and then beat Texas State twice ... only to lose to Georgia Southern in the title game.

    Cajuns finish 7-4 (37-21 overall) ... with three more Q1 wins and three Q1 losses. So, 7-10 vs. Q1 (I am assuming for now that La Tech moves back into Q1) and 17-16 vs. the RPI Top 100. The Cajuns also have a road record of 15-9.

    Using the present RPI values and holding everything else constant (including no teams shifting in their rankings and neutral OWP and OOWP contributions), the Cajuns would finish with a #39 RPI ranking. NC RPI and SOS also very good. While the Cajuns would likely be the #4 seed in the tournament in this scenario, they might finish with the third best conference record (tournament included). The Q1 record may be good enough and the Top 100 record would be solid. Road record also a strong plus ... solid finish in Last 15 games (10-5) ... with a tournament championship appearance. Two Q4 losses could be a problem, but it would depend on which resumes are being compared with the Cajuns. There are many teams with that many or more Q4 losses. But this is where the power conference teams are sometimes justified as well, as they tend to not have such losses (they tend to play fewer games against such teams).

    In such a scenario, there is certainly the opportunity for an at-large bid.

    Brian

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    We could always take 2/3 from Texas St, beat Nicholls and go 2/3 the last series.

    Then make the finals and we should be in fairly easily.


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    I say take 2 of 3 this weekend, stomp a mud hole in Nicholls and then sweep Little Rock.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GoneGolfin View Post
    That is not really possible to fully answer due to circumstances outside of the control of the Cajuns' play. But I can offer a realistic scenario that would provide an opportunity for an at-large bid ... that would also have some on this board gnashing their teeth as they would come to the conclusion that the sky is falling and that it is tournament title or bust.

    Let's say that the Cajuns lose 2/3 to Texas State, beat Nicholls, and take 2/3 vs. Little Rock. That would be finishing 4-3 with only one win in San Marcos.

    Then we have the Cajuns beat Troy in the conference tournament opener ... and then beat Texas State twice ... only to lose to Georgia Southern in the title game.

    Cajuns finish 7-4 (37-21 overall) ... with three more Q1 wins and three Q1 losses. So, 7-10 vs. Q1 (I am assuming for now that La Tech moves back into Q1) and 17-16 vs. the RPI Top 100. The Cajuns also have a road record of 15-9.

    Using the present RPI values and holding everything else constant (including no teams shifting in their rankings and neutral OWP and OOWP contributions), the Cajuns would finish with a #39 RPI ranking. NC RPI and SOS also very good. While the Cajuns would likely be the #4 seed in the tournament in this scenario, they might finish with the third best conference record (tournament included). The Q1 record may be good enough and the Top 100 record would be solid. Road record also a strong plus ... solid finish in Last 15 games (10-5) ... with a tournament championship appearance. Two Q4 losses could be a problem, but it would depend on which resumes are being compared with the Cajuns. There are many teams with that many or more Q4 losses. But this is where the power conference teams are sometimes justified as well, as they tend to not have such losses (the tend to play fewer games against such teams).

    In such a scenario, there is certainly the opportunity for an at-large bid.

    Brian
    Thanks, Brian.

    I appreciate the solid feedback…as usual.

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