2022 NFL Draft

[BrockMeaux]

So, everything I've read for the past 5 posts is justification for a completely horrendously bad pick. In the mean time, the tight end from CSU, Damion Pierce, James Cook, the running back from the jack rabbits, Perrion Winfrey & at least a dozen other potential annual pro bowlers are going to camp with someone else. I get it. The powers that be f'd it up by falling in love with "that guy" then severely over reaching by at least 75 picks on the third guy. But IF you are a"real" Saints fan you will salt & pepper that s--t sandwich & pretend it is delicious with a fresca, or a tab cola.

I give the Saints a generous grade of C- only because they got the no brainer, which they stood a huge risk of losing by taking Penning at 19 instead of 16 & by getting the LB from App St. with the 5th pick. Otherwise, they would have had the worst draft of all 32 teams.

Perrion Winfrey was drafted 59 picks after Alontae Taylor. So by your metric of where Winfrey was drafted and how far the Saints overreached for Taylor - based on your extensive scouting - they'd be rated roughly in the same ballpark.

Like I said in my last post, Taylor isn't the guy I would've drafted, either. But when our current defensive staff invests a 4th round pick or higher on a player in the secondary, they have an EXTREMELY high success rate. Secondary players drafted in the 4th round or higher while Allen was here, either as the secondary coach, defensive coordinator, or now head coach are:

2007: Usama Young (3rd round, played in 52 games over 4 years for the Saints)
2008: Tracy Porter (2nd round, played in 43 games over 4 years for the Saints)
2009: Malcolm Jenkins (1st round, played 199 games over a 13 year career)
2009: Chip Vaughn (4th round, never played a regular season snap for the Saints)
2010: Patrick Robinson (1st round, played 123 games over an 11 year career)

Of that group, Chip Vaughn is the only bust. From 2011 through 2014, Allen was first the DC with the Denver Broncos then HC with the Oakland Raiders. In that time, the Saints drafted Johnny Patrick (3rd round, spent 2 years with the Saints), Kenny Vaccaro (1st round, 110 career games), and Stanley Jean-Baptiste (2nd round, appeared in 5 career games over 2 years with the Saints and Ravens, finished with his only recorded stat being 1 solo tackle for Baltimore). Of that group, Kenny Vaccaro was the only good player.

Allen returned in 2015.

The next guys I'm just going to list because we all know. Vonn Bell in 2016, Marshon Lattimore and Marcus Williams in 2017, Chauncey Gardner-Johnson in 2019, Paulson Adebo in 2021, and now Alontae Taylor in 2022. That's 3 Pro Bowlers, future potential Pro Bowlers in Gardner-Johnson and Adebo, and Taylor. Not a bad run.

I can't believe I typed all this at 5am defending a pick I don't even really love, but I said all that to say this: maybe Dennis Allen knows a thing or two about drafting and developing players in the secondary, and certainly more than me, you, and Mel Kiper Jr. and his Big Board. Could this dude be Stanley Jean-Baptiste 2.0? It's possible. But the odds right now are that he's going to develop into a contributor for the team based off of history.

[RaginDave]

Perrion Winfrey was drafted 59 picks after Alontae Taylor. So by your metric of where Winfrey was drafted and how far the Saints overreached for Taylor - based on your extensive scouting - they'd be rated roughly in the same ballpark.

Like I said in my last post, Taylor isn't the guy I would've drafted, either. But when our current defensive staff invests a 4th round pick or higher on a player in the secondary, they have an EXTREMELY high success rate. Secondary players drafted in the 4th round or higher while Allen was here, either as the secondary coach, defensive coordinator, or now head coach are:

2007: Usama Young (3rd round, played in 52 games over 4 years for the Saints)
2008: Tracy Porter (2nd round, played in 43 games over 4 years for the Saints)
2009: Malcolm Jenkins (1st round, played 199 games over a 13 year career)
2009: Chip Vaughn (4th round, never played a regular season snap for the Saints)
2010: Patrick Robinson (1st round, played 123 games over an 11 year career)

Of that group, Chip Vaughn is the only bust. From 2011 through 2014, Allen was first the DC with the Denver Broncos then HC with the Oakland Raiders. In that time, the Saints drafted Johnny Patrick (3rd round, spent 2 years with the Saints), Kenny Vaccaro (1st round, 110 career games), and Stanley Jean-Baptiste (2nd round, appeared in 5 career games over 2 years with the Saints and Ravens, finished with his only recorded stat being 1 solo tackle for Baltimore). Of that group, Kenny Vaccaro was the only good player.

Allen returned in 2015.

The next guys I'm just going to list because we all know. Vonn Bell in 2016, Marshon Lattimore and Marcus Williams in 2017, Chauncey Gardner-Johnson in 2019, Paulson Adebo in 2021, and now Alontae Taylor in 2022. That's 3 Pro Bowlers, future potential Pro Bowlers in Gardner-Johnson and Adebo, and Taylor. Not a bad run.

I can't believe I typed all this at 5am defending a pick I don't even really love, but I said all that to say this: maybe Dennis Allen knows a thing or two about drafting and developing players in the secondary, and certainly more than me, you, and Mel Kiper Jr. and his Big Board. Could this dude be Stanley Jean-Baptiste 2.0? It's possible. But the odds right now are that he's going to develop into a contributor for the team based off of history.

I trust Dennis Allen, Mickey Loomis and Jeff Ireland on talent evaluation just a tad more than I trust Kyle.

[CajunT]

I trust Dennis Allen, Mickey Loomis and Jeff Ireland on talent evaluation just a tad more than I trust Kyle.

As we discussed, Sony Michel to visit the Saints.

[Duggie35]

Rarely will an NFL team hit on 100% of their draft picks. But I think the Saints have faired pretty good with their picks (and UDFA's) in the past few years. I have to assume the Saints (and every NFL team) have just a little more information and have done much more evaluating of every player selected in the draft than does a keyboard cowboy on a college message board.

[cajun_lannister]

I trust Dennis Allen, Mickey Loomis and Jeff Ireland on talent evaluation just a tad more than I trust Kyle.

hopefully its not another Stanley Jean-Baptiste

[Bandwagon King]

Perrion Winfrey was drafted 59 picks after Alontae Taylor. So by your metric of where Winfrey was drafted and how far the Saints overreached for Taylor - based on your extensive scouting - they'd be rated roughly in the same ballpark.

Like I said in my last post, Taylor isn't the guy I would've drafted, either. But when our current defensive staff invests a 4th round pick or higher on a player in the secondary, they have an EXTREMELY high success rate. Secondary players drafted in the 4th round or higher while Allen was here, either as the secondary coach, defensive coordinator, or now head coach are:

2007: Usama Young (3rd round, played in 52 games over 4 years for the Saints)
2008: Tracy Porter (2nd round, played in 43 games over 4 years for the Saints)
2009: Malcolm Jenkins (1st round, played 199 games over a 13 year career)
2009: Chip Vaughn (4th round, never played a regular season snap for the Saints)
2010: Patrick Robinson (1st round, played 123 games over an 11 year career)

Of that group, Chip Vaughn is the only bust. From 2011 through 2014, Allen was first the DC with the Denver Broncos then HC with the Oakland Raiders. In that time, the Saints drafted Johnny Patrick (3rd round, spent 2 years with the Saints), Kenny Vaccaro (1st round, 110 career games), and Stanley Jean-Baptiste (2nd round, appeared in 5 career games over 2 years with the Saints and Ravens, finished with his only recorded stat being 1 solo tackle for Baltimore). Of that group, Kenny Vaccaro was the only good player.

Allen returned in 2015.

The next guys I'm just going to list because we all know. Vonn Bell in 2016, Marshon Lattimore and Marcus Williams in 2017, Chauncey Gardner-Johnson in 2019, Paulson Adebo in 2021, and now Alontae Taylor in 2022. That's 3 Pro Bowlers, future potential Pro Bowlers in Gardner-Johnson and Adebo, and Taylor. Not a bad run.

I can't believe I typed all this at 5am defending a pick I don't even really love, but I said all that to say this: maybe Dennis Allen knows a thing or two about drafting and developing players in the secondary, and certainly more than me, you, and Mel Kiper Jr. and his Big Board. Could this dude be Stanley Jean-Baptiste 2.0? It's possible. But the odds right now are that he's going to develop into a contributor for the team based off of history.

If you don't like Perrion Winfrey then, you should hate Trevor Penning. Winfrey did on the defensive side of the ball exactly what Penning did on the offensive side to become a first round pick. He completely dominated the interior LOS during Senior Bowl week & won MVP of the game. You can say picking him would have been a reach. But I have a ton of physical evidence that says Perrion Winfrey will be a major force in the NFL as long as he wants to be.

So yes, I don't depend on my team's PR department to spoon feed me BS & then run around like a little clone shouting Goody! Goody! We just got Shawn Knight in the 1st round of the draft. Now we're gonna win it all. I'll leave it up to you guys to figure how the square peg fits perfectly into the round hole. I'm just going to call it like I see it, a poo poo sandwich with lots of mustard & mayo to hide the stinch.

[Bandwagon King]

The funniest part of all of this is I'll be reminding you guys of this in three years when Winfrey makes his 2nd, or 3rd All Pro team what I wrote this evening & you will coming up with garbage about some guy I never heard of & trying to say I never said squat about Perry, but I did say Usama Taylor was gonna be a hall of famer one day when the the guy doesn't make the 2nd cut in camp. Any of you who do admit I made the prognosis will then go on to say that he draft is just a crap shoot & no one can ever truly predict how a player will turn out.

[RaginDave]

The funniest part of all of this is I'll be reminding you guys of this in three years when Winfrey makes his 2nd, or 3rd All Pro team what I wrote this evening & you will coming up with garbage about some guy I never heard of & trying to say I never said squat about Perry, but I did say Usama Taylor was gonna be a hall of famer one day when the the guy doesn't make the 2nd cut in camp. Any of you who do admit I made the prognosis will then go on to say that he draft is just a crap shoot & no one can ever truly predict how a player will turn out.

Ummmmm. Kyle I should remind you of your Nate Stupar comments.

[Chop]

The funniest part of all of this is I'll be reminding you guys of this in three years when Winfrey makes his 2nd, or 3rd All Pro team what I wrote this evening & you will coming up with garbage about some guy I never heard of & trying to say I never said squat about Perry, but I did say Usama Taylor was gonna be a hall of famer one day when the the guy doesn't make the 2nd cut in camp. Any of you who do admit I made the prognosis will then go on to say that he draft is just a crap shoot & no one can ever truly predict how a player will turn out.

I got the under on 2 all pro teams.

Hell I’ll take under 1 all pro

[Chop]

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