Fair catch play

[cjr3888]

Oh I am not questioning him being pumped up. I am questioning the fact that once he found out that he was penalized (not even the targeting), he should have taken the chain off, then when it was told to him that it was possibly targeting, he should have taken the chain off, then when he found out that the player was still on the ground and possibly hurt badly, he should have taken the chain off. Then when he was walking around smiling and all of that was going on, he should have been the first player out their to apologize to Marshall for his mistake.

I get the initial celebration, I didn't understand the continued celebration after he was penalized for 2 clear mistakes.

If you watch the broadcast, he's not smiling after the call by the ref like everyone is saying. He does go towards the ref, ask about the player, & looks like he's trying to go check on him but is told not to by the ref.

[RaginDave]

If you watch the broadcast, he's not smiling after the call by the ref like everyone is saying. He does go towards the ref, ask about the player, & looks like he's trying to go check on him but is told not to by the ref.

OK, I may have missed that, I had had a bunch of IPA's at that point.

[CajunVic]

I truly do not think he saw the fair catch signal. If that is the case it should completely change the analysis of some here. Until I am told different by the player, I’m going with that scenario.

[Turbine]

I truly do not think he saw the fair catch signal. If that is the case it should completely changes the analysis of some here. Until I am told different by the player, I’m going with that scenario.

I agree

[cjr3888]

OK, I may have missed that, I had had a bunch of IPA's at that point.

I didn't notice it until yesterday while watching the highlights. Many people sitting around us didn't see the fair catch signal either during the play.

[RaginDave]

I truly do not think he saw the fair catch signal. If that is the case it should completely changes the analysis of some here. Until I am told different by the player, I’m going with that scenario.

Oh let me be the first to say, I don't think or know if he saw it and I was okay with his initial reaction, but once we all knew (the ones watching it on TV), that it was a penalty then that is where I got upset.

Again one of the pieces that doesn't matter is that whether or not he made a FC call, it would have been a penalty because of the HALO rule. If he would have just made the same play without the targeting, it still would have been a penalty. He did not get the receiver a chance to catch the ball. Their were two penalties on the play,

--Not giving the receiver 2 yard circle to catch the ball
--Targeting

Here is the definition by the NCAA of the "HALO RULE"

The halo rule was an NCAA rule that protected punt returners who were looking to catch the punt. The halo rule stated that players need to give the punt returner a two-yard cushion before he catches the ball.

[CajunVic]

https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...7&action=click

I’m not sure he does not have the two yards distance before the catch is made also . . .

[Turbine]

Here is the definition by the NCAA of the "HALO RULE"

The halo rule was an NCAA rule that protected punt returners who were looking to catch the punt. The halo rule stated that players need to give the punt returner a two-yard cushion before he catches the ball.

I appreciate everything in your post.

Related to the part I quoted, do you know if there is a time buffer between the moment the ball touches the hands and the time it is considered a catch?

[RaginDave]

https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...7&action=click

I’m not sure he does not have the two yards distance before the catch is made also . . .

Watching the replay, he was it looks like he was inside the 2 yards. The penalty was called for "Kick catch interference and targeting"

[RaginDave]

I appreciate everything in your post.

Related to the part I quoted, do you know if there is a time buffer between the moment the ball touches the hands and the time it is considered a catch?

That I don't know. I think allot of it is judgement call by the referee.