MBB: Louisiana vs South Alabama

[CajunVic]

The unfortunate thing is that this decision has nothing to do about money.

Wrong, again.

[Cajunsmike]

I may be mistaken but I feel that this was your same message last season as well.

The message being that we should all stop asking for a better product on the court and support the crap that is being force fed to us fans because the decision has already been made to keep Marlin around.

So sit down, shut up, and give me your money...ok, I think I got it.

Obviously you don’t have to do any of those things. You can stand, shout as loud as you wish, post as much as you like here, and put your money where you prefer including your pocket. That does not change the likelihood Coach Marlin won’t return and I had nothing to do with that decision. Administration is making that decision.

[Cajunsmike]

Your midrange percentage goes up when its an open shot. I'm not anti-3 point shot. I'm anti bad shot. It's not that hard. You talk about statistically but you aren't looking at shot selection. An open 15 foot jumper is much easier to hit and rebound than a contested 3. UNC has won 3 national championships in the last 15 years without ever being a premier 3 point shooting team. They score inside and in transition and then they out rebound you. In the NBA, ALL of the best players in the league are also the best players in the midrange and use it often, especially in playoff time.

Very good point here. Too often teams (Cajuns included and perhaps more so than most) shoot contested three pointers (a 20 percent shot at best) and don't work for open mid range shots. That can be a 40 percent shot if executed properly. That is 80 points in a 100 possessions vs 60 on contested threes. Defenses want to run you off the three point line and contest the basket. That means mid range is open. You just have to recognize that and practice it more for success. Of course transition changes everything and you can get open threes off your defense. Frank Bartley was the Louisiana player of the year based upon his ability to get open in that situation. Bottom line is the open shot is the best shot.

[CajunEXPRESS]

Very good point here. Too often teams (Cajuns included and perhaps more so than most) shoot contested three pointers (a 20 percent shot at best) and don't work for open mid range shots. That can be a 40 percent shot if executed properly. That is 80 points in a 100 possessions vs 60 on contested threes. Defenses want to run you off the three point line and contest the basket. That means mid range is open. You just have to recognize that and practice it more for success. Of course transition changes everything and you can get open threes off your defense. Frank Bartley was the Louisiana player of the year based upon his ability to get open in that situation. Bottom line is the open shot is the best shot.

I can’t tell you how many 95% shots(uncontested layups)are passed up, and instead the ball is passed to an open 3. Most of those are made, but 95% I’d take every play.

[Hatch]

Very good point here. Too often teams (Cajuns included and perhaps more so than most) shoot contested three pointers (a 20 percent shot at best) and don't work for open mid range shots. That can be a 40 percent shot if executed properly. That is 80 points in a 100 possessions vs 60 on contested threes. Defenses want to run you off the three point line and contest the basket. That means mid range is open. You just have to recognize that and practice it more for success. Of course transition changes everything and you can get open threes off your defense. Frank Bartley was the Louisiana player of the year based upon his ability to get open in that situation. Bottom line is the open shot is the best shot.

I agree, the open shot is the best shot, no matter where it is on the floor. I was just looking at some stats for Jalen Johnson. His 3pt shooting% has dropped from 39% as a sophomore at St. Louis to 27% this season. Now the 3pt line has been pushed back in that time but that is a pretty significant drop. He is also not “jacking up” more 3pt shots here, it has actually slightly dropped from 5.7 attempts per 40 at St. Louis to 5.4 this year. It would lead me to believe he had more open and clean looks in that offense than what he has had here.

[CajunRebel]

Your midrange percentage goes up when its an open shot. I'm not anti-3 point shot. I'm anti bad shot. It's not that hard. You talk about statistically but you aren't looking at shot selection. An open 15 foot jumper is much easier to hit and rebound than a contested 3. UNC has won 3 national championships in the last 15 years without ever being a premier 3 point shooting team. They score inside and in transition and then they out rebound you. In the NBA, ALL of the best players in the league are also the best players in the midrange and use it often, especially in playoff time.

Of course midrange shooting goes up when you’re open. And guess what? 3pt shooting percentage also goes up when you’re open.

An open look from 15ft is only slightly easier to hit than an open look from 3 which is why you try to take the open 3 when you can.

Obviously nobody has a strategy to take contested shots from any spot on the court. Sometimes the midrange shot is the best available option so you take it, but I promise you almost nobody is game planning to create midrange shots.

[CajunRebel]

So using your reasoning, why don't we just put up 60 3's per game?

Because the highest pps shots come within <5ft of the basket, not the 3pt line.

[Esqueleto]

Of course midrange shooting goes up when you’re open. And guess what? 3pt shooting percentage also goes up when you’re open.

An open look from 15ft is only slightly easier to hit than an open look from 3 which is why you try to take the open 3 when you can.

Obviously nobody has a strategy to take contested shots from any spot on the court. Sometimes the midrange shot is the best available option so you take it, but I promise you almost nobody is game planning to create midrange shots.

Which is why a lot of people are losing interest in the game. Who want to watch a team pass the ball around the perimeter 3/4 time and then jack up a 25 footer. It not at all entertaining. I wish the 3 pt. Shot would be banned, so we could go back to the way basketball was meant to be played.

[Turbine]

... I promise you almost nobody is game planning to create midrange shots.

If they were, I suspect it would create more open 3's

[Cajunsmike]

Which is why a lot of people are losing interest in the game. Who want to watch a team pass the ball around the perimeter 3/4 time and then jack up a 25 footer. It not at all entertaining. I wish the 3 pt. Shot would be banned, so we could go back to the way basketball was meant to be played.

I agree over reliance on the three pointer tends to make people think the team approach to the game is being lost.

[cajuns80]

I agree, the open shot is the best shot, no matter where it is on the floor. I was just looking at some stats for Jalen Johnson. His 3pt shooting% has dropped from 39% as a sophomore at St. Louis to 27% this season. Now the 3pt line has been pushed back in that time but that is a pretty significant drop. He is also not “jacking up” more 3pt shots here, it has actually slightly dropped from 5.7 attempts per 40 at St. Louis to 5.4 this year. It would lead me to believe he had more open and clean looks in that offense than what he has had here.

Well his issue is he can't move at all so he has to settle for the 3. He cant get by anyone on the perimeter and he is undersized when he is under the rim. He can make some nifty moves with his footwork inside sometimes but for the most part, he needs someone to create for him.

[Cajunsmike]

Well his issue is he can't move at all so he has to settle for the 3. He cant get by anyone on the perimeter and he is undersized when he is under the rim. He can make some nifty moves with his footwork inside sometimes but for the most part, he needs someone to create for him.

He does have some limitations as you point out. However when we set plays for him to get the ball at the elbow he is fairly effective with the mid range shot. We need to do that more often for him. He also is a good free throw shooter as evidenced by him icing the game against Troy. He is more likely to get fouled on that elbow shot than he is shooting a three. I do think coaches believed he would shoot a higher three point percentage than he has. He was very effective from three while on the scout team last season. Has not translated to real games as much as was hoped.