Will 8-4 Be A Disappointment?

[Turbine]

But you said that he threw the interceptions "early" which he obviously did not. You tried to make it sound like he threw the interceptions in one clump of time that would have ruined games thus making your argument. This was not the case.

I gave you the numbers through his first 400 something passes (for equal comparison purposes only). By default that only includes his early season #2 numbers.

[zephyr]

I gave you the numbers through his first 400 something passes (for equal comparison purposes only). By default that only includes his early season #2 numbers.

So you took numbers over a 2 season period to suggest that he couldn't have come in 2011 and played well? You need to just admit that you misspoke. You said he threw ALL of his interceptions early in those 400 attempts before he settled in which we now know is wrong. Plus you are using ONE stat that is already shown to be flawed rather than looking at the additional stats we brought to you to show that he proved he could run a prolific offense.

[Turbine]

So you took numbers over a 2 season period to suggest that he couldn't have come in 2011 and played well? You need to just admit that you misspoke. You said he threw ALL of his interceptions early in those 400 attempts before he settled in which we now know is wrong. Plus you are using ONE stat that is already shown to be flawed rather than looking at the additional stats we brought to you to show that he proved he could run a prolific offense.

No what I said was

... with a full year of being an understudy in the system Broadway was still extremely slow out the 2012 gate in part time duty.

In Broadway's first 7 games he had 5 interceptions in a 102 pass stretch ... before getting untracked.

That kind of early play would have cost UL a bowl slot.

The early 2013 numbers were to give a full body comparison.

6 interceptions for Gautier vs 14 for Broadway, each through 400+ passes.

ps a prolific offense that gives the ball back is misleading.

[Turbine]

Bottom line, the 2011 T.B. could not have done what B.G. did.

Basically Blaine was the perfect QB at the perfect time.

Terrance needed to develop, he needed his "sit out" year to grow.

In his third year of being in the Hud "system" he threw twice as many interceptions as Gautier did in his entire Hud career.

Only point is, 8-4 is special, and should never be disappointing in a transition period.

[zephyr]

Those 13 (early on) Broadway interceptions could easily wipe out 800 yards of offense. I haven't/won't run the numbers as to where on the field they occured, but I do know for a fact it killed 13 of his drives.

13 killed drives (as opposed to Gautier's 6) would have prevented UL from getting to 6 regular season wins in 2011.

Mustering 8-wins was an absolute feat.

And you said those 13 (early) interceptions would wipe out any running yards he provided. They weren't early interceptions as I mentioned. He only threw 9 in the first year. BTW, he also provided us 9 running touchdowns that year as well. That's 9 drives he finished with his legs and there is no reason to suggest he couldn't have done it in 2011. I can't believe we are arguing about this.

[zephyr]

Bottom line, the 2011 T.B. could not have done what B.G. did.

Basically Blaine was the perfect QB at the perfect time.

Terrance needed to develop, he needed his "sit out" year to grow.

In his third year of being in the Hud "system" he threw twice as many interceptions as Gautier did in his entire Hud career.

Only point is, 8-4 is special, and should never be disappointing in a transition period.

It is quite obvious that Broadway's career trajectory went in reverse. He was better in his early years. Injury amongst other things was the primary reason. However, going back to your original point in that Broadway would have not been able to get us to a bowl in his first year. 2011 was right about the time the bowl landscape changed and more and more 6 win teams were getting in. I have no doubt we would have gotten a bowl bid at 6 wins and I like our chances of the invite coming from NOLA. So I do not buy, based on Broadway's first two years, that he couldn't have led us to 6 wins in 2011. He was by all accounts a good leader and respected amongst his teammates and he could run the ball which is a great neutralizer for many pass deficiencies he may have had. Sorry, not buying.

[CrazyCajun]

Bottom line, the 2011 T.B. could not have done what B.G. did.

Basically Blaine was the perfect QB at the perfect time.

Terrance needed to develop, he needed his "sit out" year to grow.

In his third year of being in the Hud "system" he threw twice as many interceptions as Gautier did in his entire Hud career.

Only point is, 8-4 is special, and should never be disappointing in a transition period.

None of this happens in a vacuum. They had different players to throw the ball to, Ladarius green for one. They played against different teams and defenses. Blaine had the benefit of defenses not seeing jay Johnson's offense yet. All sort of variables. Some of the int were in wins, some were in blowout losses. Some might have been like punts or Hail Mary. You can’t just look at stats and get the story, there are circumstances. Not every INT is on the QB either

[Turbine]

Interceptions have been figured to be worth a negative 4 points on average. Obviously there are bigger and lesser swings to make that average.

In 2011 UL had 1, 2, and 5 point regular season victories.

I don't think UL wins those games with a RS freshman in a new system. That leaves 5 wins.

I think only a Junior ball control slinger like Gautier could have pulled off what he did.

[zephyr]

None of this happens in a vacuum. They had different players to throw the ball to, Ladarius green for one. They played against different teams and defenses. Blaine had the benefit of defenses not seeing jay Johnson's offense yet. All sort of variables. Some of the int were in wins, some were in blowout losses. Some might have been like punts or Hail Mary. You can’t just look at stats and get the story, there are circumstances.

Turbine is failing to look at all the variables. He's only interested in the interception column. They were different players at that time. Broadway was the prototypical dual threat QB. He was our second leading rusher and nearly went for 800 net yards rushing. The offense was slightly more balanced at that time. Also, Javonne Lawson was not himself in 2012 which may have hurt Broadway's numbers. Broadways efficiency was also better than Gautier's. Broadway was ranked #21 in 2012 and Blaine was ranked #40.

[zephyr]

Interceptions have been figured to be worth a negative 4 points on average. Obviously there are bigger and lesser swings to make that average.

In 2011 UL had 1, 2, and 5 point regular season victories.

I don't think UL wins those games with a RS freshman in a new system. That leaves 5 wins.

I think only a Junior ball control slinger like Gautier could have pulled off what he did.

A new system is new for everyone.

[gridiron]

Gautier was the last QB that could see the whole field on every play. The QB before him only saw the TE. Broadway only saw his wideouts.They could all do running backs out of the backfield.

[Duckster]

Cajuns now at midway point of the season with a 4-2 record somewhat ahead of consensus expectations. Looking ahead at the schedule, will you be disappointed finishing the 12 game schedule with an 8-4 record?