BB G1 Final: UL 9, TX State 13

[CrazyCajun]

Dad04, me and you couldn't be farther apart on our views of this team.

I'd recommend a reference back at the offense and team record when Deggs was here teaching hitting. And, what happened to the hitting after Deggs left. And, notice the vast improvement in the offense at Sam Houston State after Deggs got there. It's pretty incredible when you break it down.

And, again, the same players who beat LSU are the same players on the field now. They didn't lack the chemistry and leadership to get that done. Baseball is about coaching. And, coaching is about teaching. You can believe, and i know this, in college programs the players are being taught something. That teaching is either competent or it's not.

It’s was one game, southern, nwst and Mcneese also beat LSU..do you think they are really talented?

[ManAboutTown]

Dad04, me and you couldn't be farther apart on our views of this team.

I'd recommend a reference back at the offense and team record when Deggs was here teaching hitting. And, what happened to the hitting after Deggs left. And, notice the vast improvement in the offense at Sam Houston State after Deggs got there. It's pretty incredible when you break it down.

And, again, the same players who beat LSU are the same players on the field now. They didn't lack the chemistry and leadership to get that done. Baseball is about coaching. And, coaching is about teaching. You can believe, and i know this, in college programs the players are being taught something. That teaching is either competent or it's not.

John, I believe the chemistry and teaching are not up to par as well, but I’ve come around to Dad’s way of thinking as of late. The talent is only surface level. Deggs is a one of a kind, and I maintain he is a bad example to continually compare our other coaches to. We caught lightening in a bottle in 2014.

Having said that, this program is well beyond capable of attracting great coaching talent. Just look at the lack of talent on the mound. Something has got to give.

Deggs recruited and CREATED All-American college baseball players. Talbot has recruited and destroyed high school All-Americans baseball players.

[johnhenry]

You are entitled to your opinion. Deggs was the recruiter here when he left. He brought in all the JUCO talent we had here in 2014. When he left so did his recruiting efforts for us. He is a good recruiter and a good hitting coach.

Vast improvement? Sam Houston State was 43-19 and ranked 38th in runs produced in the nation the season BEFORE Deggs got there. Their record dropped to 31-28 his first season at Sam because he went there with none of his recruits. If baseball was really all about coaching, then why did Sam Houston State win 12 less games his 1st season as head coach? Just asking since you brought it up.

Beating LSU in a midweek game means absolutely nothing. This isn't football. Any team can get pumped up for one game. It takes talent to do it all season. LSU is over rated. Everybody knows that.

Baseball is a team sport just like football and basketball. Do experts ever say recruiting is irrelevant in those sports? It is all about recruiting. Always will be.

UL is hitting .265.

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After hitting just .263 with 18 home runs in 2012, the Cajuns exploded under Deggs' direction in 2013. At the conclusion of the regular season the Cajuns were ranked inside the Top 5 in the NCAA in eight offensive categories.

In two full seasons with the Ragin' Cajun baseball program, Deggs and his aggressive "Pack Mentality" offensive style has helped the Cajuns in amassing a 101-30 overall record, a Sun Belt Conference regular season championship, a Sun Belt Conference Tournament championship and a regional championship.

[ManAboutTown]

[A quote]
After hitting just .263 with 18 home runs in 2012, the Cajuns exploded under Deggs' direction in 2013. At the conclusion of the regular season the Cajuns were ranked inside the Top 5 in the NCAA in eight offensive categories.

With the improved production, the Cajuns once again found themselves in postseason play. ULL was awarded the No. 2 seed at the Baton Rouge Regional where the Cajuns rallied from an opening loss to Sam Houston, to ultimately fall in the regional final to host LSU.

In two full seasons with the Ragin' Cajun baseball program, Deggs and his aggressive "Pack Mentality" offensive style has helped the Cajuns in amassing a 101-30 overall record, a Sun Belt Conference regular season championship, a Sun Belt Conference Tournament championship and a regional championship.

Talbot runs the “pack” system too.
Coaches coach. A system is just a tool.

Give a feminist a bazooka and we’re all dead.

[johnhenry]

Talbot runs the “pack” system too.
Coaches coach. A system is just a tool.

Give a feminist a bazooka and we’re all dead.

And, that's my point. All coaches teach something. It either works or it doesn't. Need some accountability for results. And, IMO, need to stop blaming the players.

[Dad04]

UL is hitting .265.

[A quote]
After hitting just .263 with 18 home runs in 2012, the Cajuns exploded under Deggs' direction in 2013. At the conclusion of the regular season the Cajuns were ranked inside the Top 5 in the NCAA in eight offensive categories.

In two full seasons with the Ragin' Cajun baseball program, Deggs and his aggressive "Pack Mentality" offensive style has helped the Cajuns in amassing a 101-30 overall record, a Sun Belt Conference regular season championship, a Sun Belt Conference Tournament championship and a regional championship.

I thought you wanted to discuss the vast immediate improvement Deggs made at Sam Houston?

[Dad04]

And, that's my point. All coaches teach something. It either works or it doesn't. Need some accountability for results. And, IMO, need to stop blaming the players.

The players are not at fault. They are simply not put in position to be successful.

[ManAboutTown]

And, that's my point. All coaches teach something. It either works or it doesn't. Need some accountability for results. And, IMO, need to stop blaming the players.

The answers and the fixes are a whole lot more complex than that my friend.

The kids on this roster do not, and have not for 3 years, possess the mentality that it takes to win at a high level, consistently. Average talent performs well some nights, and poorly other nights. That’s the difference.

Coaches are responsible for recruiting AND developing. I fault the entire staff for this dumpster fire that we have on our hands.

[Dad04]

I spent a lot of time around elite pro golfers and elite baseball players amateur and pro. Many years. If they don't have confidence in their ability, it won't happen. Confidence results from achievement resulting from talent and development. One without the other is less valuable than both, obviously.

We still leave runners in scoring position by the dozen. Poor hitting instruction from 2015-2018 was partly to blame. The rest is due to the talent deficit.

[johnhenry]

I don't dodge a discussion. And, I also don't put spin on or make excuses for talented players not producing. A head coaching change deserves and almost always requires a one-year adjustment period for players. An assistant coach not so much and usually not at all.

Here's what, IMO, you fail to understand, Dad04. Spinning and giving excuses for under-achieving play will only extend the under-achieving. You gotta fix the problem. Now, where you and I disagree is that you don't see under-achievement. You think you see a lack of talent problem. Well, you can recruit all you want and you'll still get the under-achievement that's happening now. Good luck enduring that.

[Dad04]

I don't dodge a discussion. And, I also don't put spin on or make excuses for talented players not producing. A head coaching change deserves and almost always requires a one-year adjustment period for players. An assistant coach not so much and usually not at all.

Here's what, IMO, you fail to understand, Dad04. Spinning and giving excuses for under-achieving play will only extend the under-achieving. You gotta fix the problem. Now, where you and I disagree is that you don't see under-achievement. You think you see a lack of talent problem. Well, you can recruit all you want and you'll still get the under-achievement that's happening now. Good luck enduring that.

So, what does the team need?

[johnhenry]

The answers and the fixes are a whole lot more complex than that my friend.

The kids on this roster do not, and have not for 3 years, possess the mentality that it takes to win at a high level, consistently. Average talent performs well some nights, and poorly other nights. That's the difference.

Coaches are responsible for recruiting AND developing. I fault the entire staff for this dumpster fire that we have on our hands.

My friend, it's not complex, it's about teaching and execution on the field. Making it complex is a big part of the problem. Again, coaches will teach something whether it's good or bad instruction. A confident mentality in players comes from competent teaching and knowing they can produce. When a player is being taught something that's not producing for him he'll surely lose some confidence.