Jordan Brown

[Ragin4U]

Well Plaisance improves at UNeaux. I’m gonna say most who left were not progressing under Marlin or he’d fought harder to keep them.

Just saying again that the purpose of coaching is to improve your game, not your character. Can’t recall Bob taking a dud and making him a solid starter, but I’m sure it must have happened.

If you don't think a college coach has a responsibility to coach the game AND coach life, I understand why you hate on Marlin so much.

[31Ragin97]

what am i missing in this thread?

was this guy not improved, or did he play for a different coach?

247Sports Rating: None

CBB Career: 1,426 points, 508 rebounds, 486 assists, 197 steals (three seasons)

NBA Career: 731 points, 533 assists, 349 rebounds, 142 steals

Just like Nate Wolters, there's no evidence that Elfrid Payton was ever evaluated by a 247Sports scout. ESPN at least listed him as one of Louisiana-Lafayette's signings in 2011 but gave him a grade of NR—presumably "Not Rated."

In other words, his ascension to the No. 10 pick of the 2014 NBA draft might have been the most unforeseeable thing to occur in the past decade.

It wasn't even remotely predictable after his freshman year, either. Payton averaged 7.2 points per game, recording 97 assists against 96 turnovers as the Ragin' Cajuns' primary point guard.

His sophomore year, though, they added Shawn Long to the mix, and suddenly Payton had the perfect sidekick. The double-double machine afforded Payton the opportunity to do his thing, driving and dishing like a madman while racking up better than two steals per game on defense, too. He still committed a ton of turnovers, but these things happen when one plays 36 minutes per night and is the only player on his Sun Belt Conference team capable of running an offense.

Unlike Wolters, Nick Fazekas or Jimmer Fredette, Payton has proven himself capable of doing some serious damage at the next level. He played 30.4 minutes per game as a rookie with the Magic, recording 6.5 assists per game and a 2.63 assist-to-turnover ratio.

And unlike most rookies, he didn't tire one bit down the stretch. Over the course of games 62 through 82, Payton averaged 12.4 points, 8.7 assists, 5.6 rebounds and 2.4 steals per game with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 3.1. The Magic lost the majority of those games, but they clearly have something special to build upon for years to come.

ranked 12 th overlooked player.... https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...decade#slide10

[31Ragin97]

are players allowed to sign up for the portal and then still remain at old school, i.e. withdraw from portal?

[CajunEXPRESS]

If you don't think a college coach has a responsibility to coach the game AND coach life, I understand why you hate on Marlin so much.

As I’ve repeatedly said I’ve no animosity towards Marlin the man, or coach. I’d like him to be a much better coach. Unfortunately he’s overpaid and he underperforms almost every year.

A recent stat on this site said it all, 8 wins in 9 SBC tournaments.

[CajunEXPRESS]

what am i missing in this thread?

was this guy not improved, or did he play for a different coach?

247Sports Rating: None

CBB Career: 1,426 points, 508 rebounds, 486 assists, 197 steals (three seasons)

NBA Career: 731 points, 533 assists, 349 rebounds, 142 steals

Just like Nate Wolters, there's no evidence that Elfrid Payton was ever evaluated by a 247Sports scout. ESPN at least listed him as one of Louisiana-Lafayette's signings in 2011 but gave him a grade of NR—presumably "Not Rated."

In other words, his ascension to the No. 10 pick of the 2014 NBA draft might have been the most unforeseeable thing to occur in the past decade.

It wasn't even remotely predictable after his freshman year, either. Payton averaged 7.2 points per game, recording 97 assists against 96 turnovers as the Ragin' Cajuns' primary point guard.

His sophomore year, though, they added Shawn Long to the mix, and suddenly Payton had the perfect sidekick. The double-double machine afforded Payton the opportunity to do his thing, driving and dishing like a madman while racking up better than two steals per game on defense, too. He still committed a ton of turnovers, but these things happen when one plays 36 minutes per night and is the only player on his Sun Belt Conference team capable of running an offense.

Unlike Wolters, Nick Fazekas or Jimmer Fredette, Payton has proven himself capable of doing some serious damage at the next level. He played 30.4 minutes per game as a rookie with the Magic, recording 6.5 assists per game and a 2.63 assist-to-turnover ratio.

And unlike most rookies, he didn't tire one bit down the stretch. Over the course of games 62 through 82, Payton averaged 12.4 points, 8.7 assists, 5.6 rebounds and 2.4 steals per game with an assist-to-turnover ratio of 3.1. The Magic lost the majority of those games, but they clearly have something special to build upon for years to come.

ranked 12 th overlooked player.... https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...decade#slide10

We know, he's a coach. That's what almost all coaches do, improve their players.

If Marlin was a improvement guru he'd get a lot better group of players. That is unless nobody can see his talent except Turbine and UL administrators.

[zephyr]

If you don't think a college coach has a responsibility to coach the game AND coach life, I understand why you hate on Marlin so much.

Coaching life and basketball go hand in hand for most coaches. Of course when you have as close of a relationship to these kids as coaches do, you want them to succeed in any facet of life but coaches aren't judged and evaluated on what kind of citizens their players become. Coaches have a little skin in the game as well when it comes to behavior of their players as they are ultimately responsible for their players' actions. Fair or not fair, that is what it is. Ask Hud.

[CajunEXPRESS]

College coaches often view their roles as educators first, and actually coaching players abilities as collateral opportunities. Ultimately no coach is retained if his teams don’t succeed in the game of choice.

It’s rather sad when fans of coaches ignore the actual winning and losing. We keep them regardless of mediocrity but they gonna go if they’re not a great guy regardless of wins.

Clearly there’s gotta be balance, but winning has to overcome loving the coaches.

[Turbine]

It’s rather sad when fans of coaches ignore the actual winning and losing. We keep them regardless of mediocrity but they gonna go if they’re not a great guy regardless of wins.

That's fair but one needs to avoid the knee herk reaction. (I'm not calling anyone a jerk)

Falling to .594 from .794 is not a fireable offense.

imo

[CajunEXPRESS]

Hardly anyone is, or has been asking for his dismissal. Many including myself don’t agree with repeated extensions and pay raises for mediocre career.

[Turbine]

Hardly anyone is, or has been asking for his dismissal. Many including myself don’t agree with repeated extensions and pay raises for mediocre career.

Those extensions don't make sense except for recruiting.