Technically ULS has no "Flagship" (+USN&WR)

[Big Poppa]

But if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its probably a duck.

I read on another social media outlet, that this is more money in research grants, awarded to UL than the rest of the System combined. Everyone knows the Fossil hated athletics, but I seem to remember him saying how important the name was when applying for research dollars. Looks like he was right.

https://louisiana.edu/news-events/ne...op-100-million

[LaCajunsFan]

But if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck quacks like a duck, its probably a duck.

I read on another social media outlet, that this is more money in research grants, awarded to UL than the rest of the System combined. Everyone knows the Fossil hated athletics, but I seem to remember him saying how important the name was when applying for research dollars. Looks like he was right.

https://louisiana.edu/news-events/ne...op-100-million

Yeah....this is realy big news for us. And once we get the R1 status it will bew very hard indeed to see who the 'flagship' for ULS is. And most certainly the 2nd best in state.

[ZoomZoom]

Actions speak louder than legislation.

[Cajun90]

But if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its probably a duck.

I read on another social media outlet, that this is more money in research grants, awarded to UL than the rest of the System combined.

Actually I was the one that originally posted that here on RP after I did the research. I'm a numbers guy....but it wouldn't be the first time that others (including the media) have used my research for their stories... :-)

I was actually pretty shocked with the numbers however I believe it does show the different missions of the universities.

[Cajunfanatico]

"Including institutional support and externally generated funds, UL Lafayette spent $100.98 million in the fiscal year that ended June 30, 2017. The total amount places it among the top 25 percent of U.S. colleges and universities in terms of research and development funding."

But, but, US News & World Reports...............

[31Ragin97]

wow, great post...

but this is confusing:
"Louisiana Tech's Strategic Plan, Tech 2020, identifies Research and Development as an overarching theme, with the following strategic priorities:

1. Assess current research policies and procedures relative to increasing research success.

2. Improve data driven decision making and research, technology transfer, and graduate studies.

3. Increase research success.

Within these priorities, our goals are to:

Work with the deans, faculty and staff to triple our annual research expenditures to $50M per year with $20M per year federal."

they need to triple just to get to half of us?? but but but tier one...

[CajunT]

But if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its probably a duck.

I read on another social media outlet, that this is more money in research grants, awarded to UL than the rest of the System combined. Everyone knows the Fossil hated athletics, but I seem to remember him saying how important the name was when applying for research dollars. Looks like he was right.

https://louisiana.edu/news-events/ne...op-100-million

The problem is the Fossil really didn't get us closer to Tier 1 status with all the cuts to athletics over the years. He was a disappointment on both levels. Dr. Savoie has invested in hiring the right people raise funds for Research Development.

[Policarp]

The net growth by UL in past two years is more than LTURd's best year.....ever. We are now lapping them 3x per year....working on lap #4.

Very Flagshippy

[Cajunfanatico]

The problem is the Fossil really didn't get us closer to Tier 1 status with all the cuts to athletics over the years. He was a disappointment on both levels. Dr. Savoie has invested in hiring the right people raise funds for Research Development.

Have you guys ever researched exactly what Tier 1 Status means? I tried it once, and finally gave up, because, at least when I tried it, there was no concrete definition. The best I could come up with are some screwy criteria generated by US News & World Report.

R3, R2, R1 Carnegie Research Status, on the other hand, quite easy to define.

Someone do us a favor and try to get a firm definition of what Tier 1 means. I'm too old to try again so I'll hang up and listen.

I should add, Tier 1 status was the phraseology that the necksters always used when measuring themselves in the mirror. It was meaningless in my humble opinion other than they had it because it was mentioned in a magazine. Carnegie Research Status is the real measure when one wants to compare accomplishments nationwide against other universities.

[CajunT]

Have you guys ever researched exactly what Tier 1 Status means? I tried it once, and finally gave up, because, at least when I tried it, there was no concrete definition. The best I could come up with are some screwy criteria generated by US News & World Report.

R3, R2, R1 Carnegie Research Status, on the other hand, quite easy to define.

Someone do us a favor and try to get a firm definition of what Tier 1 means. I'm too old to try again so I'll hang up and listen.

I should add, Tier 1 status was the phraseology that the necksters always used when measuring themselves in the mirror. It was meaningless in my humble opinion other than they had it because it was mentioned in a magazine. Carnegie Research Status is the real measure when one wants to compare accomplishments nationwide against other universities.

Try this site, SACS. They set the criteria and is more important than US NEWS.

http://www.sacscoc.org/membershipInfo.asp

[VObserver]

Have you guys ever researched exactly what Tier 1 Status means? I tried it once, and finally gave up, because, at least when I tried it, there was no concrete definition. The best I could come up with are some screwy criteria generated by US News & World Report.

R3, R2, R1 Carnegie Research Status, on the other hand, quite easy to define.

Someone do us a favor and try to get a firm definition of what Tier 1 means. I'm too old to try again so I'll hang up and listen.

I should add, Tier 1 status was the phraseology that the necksters always used when measuring themselves in the mirror. It was meaningless in my humble opinion other than they had it because it was mentioned in a magazine. Carnegie Research Status is the real measure when one wants to compare accomplishments nationwide against other universities.

This is entirely correct..... but..... It is senseless to fail to report appropriate numbers to USNWR to get their Tier 1 status, regardless of how you feel about thdir rankings.

[Cajunfanatico]

This is entirely correct..... but..... It is senseless to fail to report appropriate numbers to USNWR to get their Tier 1 status, regardless of how you feel about thdir rankings.

Wut, no power point that day?

[Policarp]

Thanks T

If I am understanding the information in your link correctly, 2020 is literal......REAF is done in 10 year intervals. Our next is 2020. LTURd frozen at R3 til 2025. So 2020 to 2030 classification is up for review soon. Great timing for the PR machine to ramp up.....whilst showing ACTUAL strong near term growth as evidence for R1. Not LTURd hot air propaganda

[Cajunfanatico]

Try this site, SACS. They set the criteria and is more important than US NEWS.

http://www.sacscoc.org/membershipInfo.asp

T, thanks. I did snoop around that site, but honestly, it made my eyes bleed. Like I said, I'm old. And to be more specific, I was looking for the criteria of what defines Tier 1 Status as proclaimed by the necksters. That info still seems to be tough to find.

"I never really looked into it and just assumed that Tier 1 was a school ranked in the top 50 of US News College Rankings for National Universities. Tiers 2, 3, and 4 were the next group of 50 institutions. Anything not ranked in the top 200 were considered unranked schools. I do remember at one point something about US News deciding not to do Tier 2, that those schools would be part of a larger Tier 1, or something like that.

The reason why I’m actually using fuzzy impressions is because there really isn’t any official definition of Tier 1. I think that it is often used by those in the college search process to refer to the top 50 schools ranked by US News and therefore, the most desirable or prestigious to attend."

http://www.diycollegerankings.com/ti...college/19594/

"There’s no universal definition but essentially, the term refers to the country’s top research-focused universities. While there are specific benchmarks to be considered part of that group, some aren't clear or rely purely on perception."

https://www.texastribune.org/2011/02...ne-university/

"There is no universally accepted standard for what overall "tier one" means, but in general, schools are expected to bring in at least $100 million per year in research grants, plus have selective admissions and high-quality faculty. "

https://www.texastribune.org/2016/02...-carnegie-tie/

As you can see from the above links, Tier 1 status is anything but well-defined. The necksters like to say they're Tier 1 (though I see them using it less and less these days) but when quizzed on it, they'll point to US News & World Report....and then run.

Using the linky immediately above my comments here, the minimum $100 million in research grants seems to be a very important number. Based on that, I think we know where we stand relative to others in the UL System.

[MetryCajun]

The problem is the Fossil really didn't get us closer to Tier 1 status with all the cuts to athletics over the years. He was a disappointment on both levels. Dr. Savoie has invested in hiring the right people raise funds for Research Development.

This is going to an extremely unpopular opinion, but the fossil did a lot for this university. Under his watch we went from a regional university to a national one. As other state universities were stagnant during the oil bust, we continued to grow. Every time LSU and the legislature would try to shut down programs, he would move money around and save the program. I can personally say he was responsible for keeping the Masters Geology program. Instead of us getting cut, Nicholls and Tech got whacked.
On the athletic front he went D1 and broke from all of our traditional rivals. He knew sports was a difference maker for us over the other regional schools. Did he make mistakes? Yes, quite a few of them. He was penny wise and pound foolish. But make no mistake, without the Fossil we would not all be here talking about many of the great things that are happening at our University.