Robichaux on RaginPagin

[CrazyCajun]

Typical internet "conversation". I'm right and your wrong. This isn't black or white. You have a point but you also seem to be insistent that weather is a complete non-issue. Go look around and you will find plenty of articles from college coaches that disagree with that statement.

Never said it’s a complete non issue, but i don’t see it as THE reason northern teams aren’t as good like mike originally suggested. Much more of an excuse as to why Ohio state can’t field a better team than SLU or UL. They certainly have the budget to come get southern players. Seriously, go look at the map of MLB and NHL teams and see why college baseball is popular where it is and where it isn’t.

[Turbine]

In the past Robichaux has thanked RaginPagin (in the baseball media guide) for the research on Alvin Dark.

I handed him the newfound (previously forgotten) research personally, and it made it's way to the media guide.

Fair and balanced.

[Cajunsmike]

Never said it's a complete non issue, but i don't see it as THE reason northern teams aren't as good like mike originally suggested. Much more of an excuse as to why Ohio state can't field a better team than SLU or UL. They certainly have the budget to come get southern players. Seriously, go look at the map of MLB and NHL teams and see why college baseball is popular where it is and where it isn't.

We agree there is less interest up north in baseball. Only disagreement is on how muxh of a factor weather is. I think it is significant while crazycajun thinks it is not as much of a factor as others. No way to prove either point. We also agree basketball has less interest in south and that is due to at large bids not being available. Not much of a debate here.

[Cajun90]

Never said it’s a complete non issue, but i don’t see it as THE reason northern teams aren’t as good like mike originally suggested. Much more of an excuse as to why Ohio state can’t field a better team than SLU or UL. They certainly have the budget to come get southern players. Seriously, go look at the map of MLB and NHL teams and see why college baseball is popular where it is and where it isn’t.

I don't get the NHL/MLB argument. A sport played indoors on ice, primarily in the winter, is most successful in the northern part of the country. No shock there. MLB is played in the summer in larger metro areas and doesn't compete with basketball, football, or hockey. As for why it isn't more predominate in the south? Between the Houston/Dallas markets to the Georgia/Florida markets which metro markets do you think would be the slam dunks for MLB?

So here is about 5 minutes of research on NCAA baseball and weather.......

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/s...-for-help.html

http://www.sj-r.com/article/20090526/NEWS/305269923

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...baseball_teams

http://baseballnews.com/epitome-of-b...r-in-baseball/

http://onlyagame.legacy.wbur.org/201...baseball-north

[CrazyCajun]

I don't get the NHL/MLB argument. A sport played indoors on ice, primarily in the winter, is most successful in the northern part of the country. No shock there. MLB is played in the summer in larger metro areas and doesn't compete with basketball, football, or hockey. As for why it isn't more predominate in the south? Between the Houston/Dallas markets to the Georgia/Florida markets which metro markets do you think would be the slam dunks for MLB?

So here is about 5 minutes of research on NCAA baseball and weather.......

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/24/s...-for-help.html

http://www.sj-r.com/article/20090526/NEWS/305269923

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...baseball_teams

http://baseballnews.com/epitome-of-b...r-in-baseball/

http://onlyagame.legacy.wbur.org/201...baseball-north

Hockey is played in doors which has nothing to do with the weather. Do you think people in the south aren’t capable of being good at hockey? Or people just don’t care about hockey down here? So people don’t play it growing up, so the south doesn’t produce very many hockey players. People care about baseball up north, just not college baseball. Start the college season whenever you want...people still won’t care about college baseball up north and teams up north still won’t be very competitive. In fact the closer you would start college to MLB people up north will care even less IMO. Why are the majority of football powers from the south? It’s not the weather. A lot more impacting variables than the weather. Those same colleges coaches will be crying about player safety when they are playing in a regional in Lafayette in late June. Then the CWS would be played almost 2 months after MLB draft. For whatever reason northern mid majors have been drastically more successful in college baseball than the power schools and that drives the big schools crazy. They can’t possibly tolerate that people with less resources are better than they are..so they blame it on something out their control and try to change the rules.

[CharlieK]

Hockey is played in doors which has nothing to do with the weather. Do you think people in the south aren’t capable of being good at hockey? Or people just don’t care about hockey down here? So people don’t play it growing up, so the south doesn’t produce very many hockey players. People care about baseball up north, just not college baseball. Start the college season whenever you want...people still won’t care about college baseball up north and teams up north still won’t be very competitive. In fact the closer you would start college to MLB people up north will care even less IMO. Why are the majority of football powers from the south? It’s not the weather. A lot more impacting variables than the weather. Those same colleges coaches will be crying about player safety when they are playing in a regional in Lafayette in late June. Then the CWS would be played almost 2 months after MLB draft

Interesting map.

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...9FDCMQ9QEILTAA

[Cajun90]

Do your research and you will discover that moving the MLB draft is a huge part of the proposals to move the college baseball season and if you bothered to even look at any of the information I provided you would realize the overwhelming support from coaches up North. They aren't going to be crying in June......

I'm gonna let this geaux at this stage. Never thought I was going to change your opinion but wanted others to know what the data supports.

[CrazyCajun]

Do your research and you will discover that moving the MLB draft is a huge part of the proposals to move the college baseball season and if you bothered to even look at any of the information I provided you would realize the overwhelming support from coaches up North. They aren't going to be crying in June......

I'm gonna let this geaux at this stage. Never thought I was going to change your opinion but wanted others to know what the data supports.

I’ve read all the articles before this discussion. They will be replacing bad weather for bad weather. Snow delays for thunderstorms...cold games for heat stroke..and northern teams still won’t be able to consistently beat southern teams. I would be for opening college baseball on March 1..no later and that still won’t solve their “problem” There are better athletes south of the mason Dixon line and more interest and a later start date won’t change that IMO. If we move back the season and play a third of it when school is out and the whole sport takes a hit on attendance what then? Or we move it back and the northern schools still don’t really compete what will be their reason? College Baseball is the fastest growing college sport in both attendance and revenue, I personally don’t see a reason to “fix” it. Giving a bunch of undeserving big 10 teams regional hosts because of the name on their chest doesn’t interest me. It’s a money grab and they want in and it will just be another door open To push mid majors out.

[Turbine]

College Baseball World Series should be on July 3 & 4

The MLB draft should be right after.

Interest in both would grow exponentially.

[CajunVic]

. . .and northern teams still won’t be able to consistently beat southern teams. . . .There are better athletes south of the mason Dixon

Keeping the college baseball season where it is now will continue to result in northern teams not being able to consistently beat southern teams because no good baseball player in his right mind would play for a northern team if he could play for a southern team.

This really has little to do with the fans or the fan's interest in baseball, but more the inability to recruit talent that wants to play in these cold weather places. Indirectly, this factor may result in a lessened fan imterest, but directly this is more driven by recruiting issues ( and thus inability to compete) directly related to weather than anything else.

I don't think the Masson Dixon line really has a thing to do with where talent is found or not found. It only has to do with where talent will play or not play, and they are not going to play where it is cold, you can't practice and it lends itself to more chances of arm injuries.

[CrazyCajun]

Keeping the college baseball season where it is now will continue to result in northern teams not being able to consistently beat southern teams because no good baseball player in his right mind would play for a northern team if he could play for a southern team.

This really has little to do with the fans or the fan's interest in baseball, but more the inability to recruit talent that wants to play in these cold weather places. Indirectly, this factor may result in a lessened fan imterest, but directly this is more driven by recruiting issues ( and thus inability to compete) directly related to weather than anything else.

I don't think the Masson Dixon line really has a thing to do with where talent is found or not found. It only has to do with where talent will play or not play, and they are not going to play where it is cold, you can't practice and it lends itself to more chances of arm injuries.

Stony brook, Kent State, Wright state..there are coaches who build good teams in the north. Just because Ohio State, Michigan, West Virginia, Purdue can’t buy tons of home wins like their SEC counterparts isn’t a reason for us to adjust the entire season. They all get RPI bonus for going on the road...they get in regionals and never do anything. Maybe they just aren’t that good? Sorry if i don’t feel the need to help stack the deck for more big schools against us. Moving the season won’t help baseball, it won’t help UL,CCU, and southern misses of the world...we will be sent packing in a regional to Ann Arbor as a 1 seed.

[CajunVic]

Stony brook, Kent State, Wright state..there are coaches who build good teams in the north. Just because Ohio State, Michigan, West Virginia, Purdue can't buy tons of home wins like their SEC counterparts isn't a reason for us to adjust the entire season. They all get RPI bonus for going on the road...they get in regionals and never do anything. Maybe they just aren't that good? Sorry if i don't feel the need to help stack the deck for more big schools against us. Moving the season won't help baseball, it won't help UL,CCU, and southern misses of the world...we will be sent packing in a regional to Ann Arbor as a 1 seed.

Really not sure what got you on this high horse. A blind hog will find an acorn every now and then - you named three teams that you got from articles steadfastly showing that weather is the factor. All that was said in this thread is that northern schools generally have not competed because of cold weather. That is a fact which is irrefutable.

No one said a thing about changing anything with respect to the way things happen now in baseball. I really don't understand the deal.