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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRebel View Post
    I got it. Here is the RPI history

    Lee (last two years
    2009 266
    2010 246

    Marlin:
    2011 215
    2012 197
    2013 225
    2014 85
    2015 124
    2016 145
    2017 115
    2018 69

    CLEARY there’s a downward trend. CLEARLY this program is getting better.
    Anyone can cherry pick a stat to support their argument. RPI means nothing, as A&M proved last night. It’s a flawed metric that needs to be changed. Quality wins are all that matter at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Anyone can cherry pick a stat to support their argument. RPI means nothing, as A&M proved last night. It’s a flawed metric that needs to be changed. Quality wins are all that matter at this point.
    How can you bring up cherry picking in one breath but then immediately poo poo a comprehensive stat like the RPI and cherry pick a stat like quality wins.

    RPI, BPI, ELO, Massey, Sagrin, etc. are all comprehensive statistical accounts of how good your team is. They are the opposite of cherry picking.

    Our games against Clemson and Ole Miss don’t make a difference if we don’t take care of all the other games on the schedule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRebel View Post
    How can you bring up cherry picking in one breath but then immediately poo poo a comprehensive stat like the RPI and cherry pick a stat like quality wins.

    RPI, BPI, ELO, Massey, Sagrin, etc. are all comprehensive statistical accounts of how good your team is. They are the opposite of cherry picking.

    Our games against Clemson and Ole Miss don’t make a difference if we don’t take care of all the other games on the schedule.
    That RPI got us a road trip NIT game and an early spring break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaginFan2 View Post
    CLEARLY the last 3 years have been much better, RPI -wise, than the first 3 years. But I see more of an up & down line the past 4-6 years than a true trend. Just my opinion.
    Keep in mind that D1 college basketball has something like 340 teams. The pool of teams is so huge that there are always going to be big fluctuations. In college football the #90 team is much better than the #120 team. In college basketball when the #90 and #120 play its close to a tossup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliek View Post
    That RPI got us a road trip NIT game and an early spring break.
    So what?

    It is a reasonably accurate way to measure a program’s success and that’s all I’m using it for right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRebel View Post
    How can you bring up cherry picking in one breath but then immediately poo poo a comprehensive stat like the RPI and cherry pick a stat like quality wins.

    RPI, BPI, ELO, Massey, Sagrin, etc. are all comprehensive statistical accounts of how good your team is. They are the opposite of cherry picking.

    Our games against Clemson and Ole Miss don’t make a difference if we don’t take care of all the other games on the schedule.
    What in holy hell are you blathering about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRebel View Post
    So what?

    It is a reasonably accurate way to measure a program’s success and that’s all I’m using it for right now.
    So IT'S NOT A REASONABLE METHOD.....the 61 just got beat by a team 30 spots lower. After being forced to go there IN SPITE of the RPI. So it got us ____ and all. So it means ____ and all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliek View Post
    So IT'S NOT A REASONABLE METHOD.....the 61 just got beat by a team 30 spots lower. After being forced to go there IN SPITE of the RPI. So it got us ____ and all. So it means ____ and all.
    Ok, then what is a reasonable method?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CajunRebel View Post
    Ok, then what is a reasonable method?
    RPI AND quality wins AND success in big games.

    No doubt that’s subjective, but one objective measure doesn’t tell the story.

    I like Marlin. I think he has improved the program. I think the improvement is very shallow, though and it is time to have more success against better teams. Simply pointing to RPI or total wins doesn’t tell the story. I like the wins, I like the RPI, but we need to win some games against good teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManAboutTown View Post
    Anyone can cherry pick a stat to support their argument. RPI means nothing, as A&M proved last night. It's a flawed metric that needs to be changed. Quality wins are all that matter at this point.
    A&M didn't prove anything.

    Last night proved that UL's RPI would be in the 200's with a hurt Stove and sickly Gant all year.

    UL picked the worst time ever (4 games ago) to go lame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliek View Post
    So IT'S NOT A REASONABLE METHOD.....the 61 just got beat by a team 30 spots lower. After being forced to go there IN SPITE of the RPI. So it got us ____ and all. So it means ____ and all.
    RPI is very reasonable, last night was not the team that earned an RPI in the 60's

    They haven't been "that team" for 4 games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbine View Post
    A&M didn't prove anything.

    Last night proved that UL's RPI would be in the 200's with a hurt Stove and sickly Gant all year.

    UL picked the worst time ever (4 games ago) to go lame.
    Dude, if you actually believe that... wow.

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