Ugh, I mean just...UGH!!!

[Boomer]

It’s also easier to be independent with a $50 mil budget, you can buy a lot of games with that instead of being the one getting bought.

.....not being in a conference is used by other schools as huge negative against them....can't play for a championship, no ring trophy, no natural rivalries.....Also I have always thought it to be a very rough road in filling out schedules as 8 more games are needed to be booked....I could be wrong on this, but just pops up this way!!!

[Hark Mudspeth]

.....not being in a conference is used by other schools as huge negative against them....can't play for a championship, no ring trophy, no natural rivalries.....Also I have always thought it to be a very rough road in filling out schedules as 8 more games are needed to be booked....I could be wrong on this, but just pops up this way!!!

I think going independent would be the death of the program. The leadership at this university hasn’t shown me anything that tells me they could pull this off. We have been shown the exact opposite over and over actually. The relationships we have (don’t have) with the schools in our geographical region alone would kill us. They would sit back and laugh while watching the program die and love every minute knowing they had a hand in it.

[Turbine]

.....not being in a conference is used by other schools as huge negative against them....can't play for a championship, no ring trophy, no natural rivalries.....Also I have always thought it to be a very rough road in filling out schedules as 8 more games are needed to be booked....I could be wrong on this, but just pops up this way!!!

When there were only 85 D1 teams and you had to play all D1 games, scheduling was tougher.

Now that the number of FBS (D1) teams is approaching 140 plus a FCS game being allowed. Scheduling is a completely different ball game.

[Hark Mudspeth]

I'm not comparing UL to Liberty, I'm comparing shackled UL to independant UL.

Im saying UL can make much more money as an independent.

And I disagree. This university doesn’t know how to make money.... and it’s most die hard fans complain everytime something goes up a dollar. Even if we were gifted the best schedule we would get crushed for a couple years and the money would dry up, the excitement would be over. You are basically betting that you will hit a grand slam and you only get one pitch, the first pitch and you gotta swing.

[MelRock]

.....Also I have always thought it to be a very rough road in filling out schedules as 8 more games are needed to be booked....I could be wrong on this, but just pops up this way!!!

No you are right, why do you think Notre Dame has an agreement with the ACC to schedule 5 ACC teams in football every year. Also rumors that the ACC and ND have been in talks for them to join the conference full time, ND has denied.

Those on here that think going independent is the right move are the same as the democrats that think socialized medicine is the right move. They think they are smarter than everyone else and it is not that socialized medicine can't work it is just the wrong people were running it.

Going independent football would crush every other sport or bankrupt us.

[Turbine]

And I disagree. This university doesn’t know how to make money.... and it’s most die hard fans complain everytime something goes up a dollar. Even if we were gifted the best schedule we would get crushed for a couple years and the money would dry up, the excitement would be over. You are basically betting that you will hit a grand slam and you only get one pitch, the first pitch and you gotta swing.

How does the money dry up? UL can make as much or more from one appearance fee as the RCAF is currently bringing in.

Athletes want to play competition, recruiting will go up not down.

[Hark Mudspeth]

How does the money dry up? UL can make as much or more from one appearance fee as the RCAF is currently bringing in.

Athletes want to play competition, recruiting will go up not down.

Will you play all 12 on the road? You gonna have to use that money to buy home games. Your money will dry up by going 2-10. Latech, tulane, USM, Rice,Houston, SMU will all laugh at us when we ask for Home and Home without an obsurd amount of money. Why did liberty try to gain entrance to every conference possible? And only went independent as last resort? And they have money. Why doesn’t Idaho go independent? Why doesn’t every team in the bottom half of their conference go Independent? NMSU is going Independent hoping for a lifeline before they will be forced to FCS. Liberty is hedging their bets that they have enough money to last long enough to impress and they will accept a conference invitation the day it is extended.

[Turbine]

Going independent football would crush every other sport or bankrupt us.

Myth!

Softball rose to national prominence as an independent (the only independent at the school for much of that time) it has maintained it's status in spite of being in a conference.

Baseball is dependent on it's out of conference schedule to maintain respectability.

The Sun Belt is like being on permanant welfare and unable to recognize how much better off you would be if you went out and got a job.

jmo

[MelRock]

Myth!

Softball rose to national prominence as an independent (the only independent at the school for much of that time) it has maintained it's status in spite of being in a conference.

Baseball is dependent on it's out of conference schedule to maintain respectability.

The Sun Belt is like being on permanant welfare and unable to recognize how much better off you would be if you went out and got a job.

jmo

Wrong, the softball world is different now. Without a strong conference we would be nothing. Yes lets join the Southland in other sports, not they would take us. How many softball teams make it in to the NCAA tournament, yes that would be 1.

I noticed you ignored the fact that Notre Dame has a scheduling agreement with the ACC because it does not fit your narrative. Why would the most successful independent in the history of college football, with almost unlimited resources, need to have an agreement with the ACC to schedule football games?

You keep up the good fight and you will be sitting in the stadium by yourself if it ever happened. I do not want to see southland conference softball, maybe baseball.

Just curious, how many season tickets do you have for softball and baseball?

[Just1More]

Robe prays to Jerry Falwell?

It’s not that Liberty is a Christian University. There are tons of respected Christian universities out there. It’s the fact that this particular Christian University teaches fundamentalist wackadoodle things.

Are you saying that these other "respected Christian universities" do not have... in your opinion... any "wackadoodle things" in their belief structure? I'm not a fan of the Falwell's... but we are talking about football. I could divulge even more disgusting human characteristics embedded in some of the P5 schools... relating directly to football... that we agree to play (for money mainly). But we seem to overlook those differences. If we found out that a particular university president was an outspoken atheist... would we not play that school in football, baseball, basketball?

I can see the contempt for adding another FCS come lately to FBS in our already lackluster lineup. But I do not agree that just because Liberty has some odd views in their practice of Christianity... we take exception to challenging them in athletics.

[Turbine]

Will you play all 12 on the road? You gonna have to use that money to buy home games. Your money will dry up by going 2-10. Latech, tulane, USM, Rice,Houston, SMU will all laugh at us when we ask for Home and Home without an obsurd amount of money. Why did liberty try to gain entrance to every conference possible? And only went independent as last resort? And they have money. Why doesn’t Idaho go independent? Why doesn’t every team in the bottom half of their conference go Independent? NMSU is going Independent hoping for a lifeline before they will be forced to FCS. Liberty is hedging their bets that they have enough money to last long enough to impress and they will accept a conference invitation the day it is extended.

You think to lowly of your school.

6 on the road.

Alternating between 2, 3, and 4 appearance fees per year, average 3.

Hone and home for the rest will be easy, they all still have to fill out a schedule almost 100 non P5 schools to choose from.

If you win they want to play you for respect and potentially an upset. If you lose they want to play you to pad their schedule.

Everyone is living in fear of pre-internet 1997.

[Hark Mudspeth]

You think to lowly of your school.

6 on the road.

Alternating between 2, 3, and 4 appearance fees per year, average 3.

Hone and home for the rest will be easy, they all still have to fill out a schedule almost 100 non P5 schools to choose from.

If you win they want to play you for respect and potentially an upset. If you lose they want to play you to pad their schedule.

Everyone is living in fear of pre-internet 1997.

Our Home and homes sucks now and we are only trying to find 1 or 2 a year..but yeah 6 would be so easy. You are dillusional on this. You think you are the only person to ever consider this? They are is a reason the only ones to do it are forced. However I’m sure you are more Informed on the subject than every single AD, president and athletic department inbthe country. If BYU would find a conference that would accommodate their no playing on Sunday, they would be back in a conference too.