post Texas A&M: Hud Accountability Index

[Turbine]

So 7 years isn't enough data?

I would keep him.

Last year he improved 33% from his career low.

Before that he was one of 3 coaches in the country that had won 4-straight bowl games. I don't care how easy it is to get into a bowl, winning them is no easy task.

Is he still in a slump? Yes.

Is it possible or even probable that he might not pull out of that slump? Yes.

Do I think he's earned the chance to pull out of that slump? Yes.

That is why I think the fire talk is silly at this juncture.

jmo

[Just1More]

To me, regardless of your sentiment on this subject, there will have to be certain criteria met in order for our administration to make a decision on the head coach. Stating what you wish would happen, or even believe should happen, are pretty meaningless when weighed against the specific criteria that will force a coaching change.

If you want Hud fired before other parameters are ready, it will have to be a "termination with cause". That will require the cause or causes to happen, and trigger our administration into action. I think some causes have already occurred. By themselves, they haven't warranted termination. What they did do is lower the threshold for future cause severity to trigger our admin into action.

The parameters outside of a "termination with cause" that will force action can combine and trigger action. That hasn't happened yet. Personally, I think we're waiting for a juncture of those parameters. The parameters are converging.

Low enough buyout coupled with severely bad football - terminate
Low enough buyout with prolonged mediocre football - terminate
High buyout value with severely bad football - campaign for funds / terminate
Very low buyout with mediocre football - terminate
One or more recognizably monster boosters takes action (won't be public) - terminate

My assessment is that we are not at or even near our administration's trigger point. It's the money mainly. Even if we could raise the money right now, they'd feel like they pulled funds away from another necessity - and that could very well be true. We made our bed with this contract. And I think we'll live it out, regardless of the price we may ultimately pay.

IMO - We will see no activity wrt Hud during this season - no matter what. I think we're well into next season, if football is floundering, that things will get ugly in the fan base... but I still think Hud remains until this and next season come to a close.

[CajunNation]

Well I have a question for everybody. If there was no buyout at all. Would you want hud gone at the end of the year??

Yes.

To whom much is given, much is expected. The level of the program does not match the salary. I believe he has taken this thing as far as his capabilities and temperament will allow.

At this point, we have to ask the question of whether we are satisfied with going Bowling more often than not, no big wins, no conference championships, or do we want more?

[cajun4life]

Like it or not, making a bowl this day and age is not difficult. So the criteria of making a bowl as a reason to keep a coach is crazy. 8 wins shoukd be the standard. Winning the Sun belt should be the standard. Anything else is just mediocre seasons rewarded with a bowl game because there are 76 is teams going bowling every year.

[Rougarou]

There is always a small to possibly large bump with a new hire.

Question is do you hire another inspirational coach or a dull genius?

via GIPHY

[CajunPride]

As a longtime Cajun fan, I still vividly remember 40 years of going to No Bowl. It might take another 40 years of frequent bowl attendance to downplay that aspect of success for Louisiana. imo

[California Cajun]

To me, regardless of your sentiment on this subject, there will have to be certain criteria met in order for our administration to make a decision on the head coach. Stating what you wish would happen, or even believe should happen, are pretty meaningless when weighed against the specific criteria that will force a coaching change.

If you want Hud fired before other parameters are ready, it will have to be a "termination with cause". That will require the cause or causes to happen, and trigger our administration into action. I think some causes have already occurred. By themselves, they haven't warranted termination. What they did do is lower the threshold for future cause severity to trigger our admin into action.

The parameters outside of a "termination with cause" that will force action can combine and trigger action. That hasn't happened yet. Personally, I think we're waiting for a juncture of those parameters. The parameters are converging.

Low enough buyout coupled with severely bad football - terminate
Low enough buyout with prolonged mediocre football - terminate
High buyout value with severely bad football - campaign for funds / terminate
Very low buyout with mediocre football - terminate
One or more recognizably monster boosters takes action (won't be public) - terminate

My assessment is that we are not at or even near our administration's trigger point. It's the money mainly. Even if we could raise the money right now, they'd feel like they pulled funds away from another necessity - and that could very well be true. We made our bed with this contract. And I think we'll live it out, regardless of the price we may ultimately pay.

IMO - We will see no activity wrt Hud during this season - no matter what. I think we're well into next season, if football is floundering, that things will get ugly in the fan base... but I still think Hud remains until this and next season come to a close.

I read your synopsis about where schools are in the firing process and I can feel a couple of seats, like Riley's at Nebraska heading to a slow to medium burn. P5 problems often end with a new coach. Unfortunately I think our deficiencies involve players, and volume of players. How do we get players who can play ,know how to play assignment football, and avoid trouble?

[CajunEXPRESS]

As a longtime Cajun fan, I still vividly remember 40 years of going to No Bowl. It might take another 40 years of frequent bowl attendance to downplay that aspect of success for Louisiana. imo

Pride, you know I love ya, but you're just wrong. Your achievement bar needs to stay at eight wins, conference championships, and bowls last

[cajun4life]

Pride, you know I love ya, but you're just wrong. Your achievement bar needs to stay at eight wins, conference championships, and bowls last

Absolutely! Bowls are the easiest to come by.

8 wins and Sun Belt titles should be the standard.

[Just1More]

I read your synopsis about where schools are in the firing process and I can feel a couple of seats, like Riley's at Nebraska heading to a slow to medium burn. P5 problems often end with a new coach. Unfortunately I think our deficiencies involve players, and volume of players. How do we get players who can play ,know how to play assignment football, and avoid trouble?

P5 programs have the money to terminate coaches much quicker. They have bigger buyout clauses, but they have established a much larger/faster group of boosters to yank on when they need that money. One thing about the Les Miles buyout that should be in our future buyout (if it isn't now)... he is only paid the difference in the yearly money owed from LSU and money he makes at any other job (that includes his Fox Sports money).

Hud wouldn't be in line for that kind of job. But at his age, he'd certainly go get another coaching job. He'd either end up as a head coach in the FCS, another G5 FBS, or on the staff of a P5. That money should be subtracted from the monies we'd owe him. I hope we get that in the next contract if it isn't in his current contract.

As for your players/athletes comment... every program is dealing with young student-athlete issues. It is available to every team that wants to take risks. But in every respect, the issues with student-athletes that occur as a rule rather than by exception, are all due to the methods of the head coach.

[cajun4life]

If we lose this game on Saturday this thread will hit 50 pages.

[CharlieK]

If we lose this game on Saturday this thread will hit 50 pages.

If we lose Saturday it will rival the Flood thread in 2011.