Football Season: Reasons to be negative.

[Ragin4U]

You mean the team that prior to that season went to the Super Bowl. And that was a beautiful pass, and an extremely great play by Richard Sherman...a cornerback...which Saints fan have not seen for quite a while. Rewatch that overtime period. Those ticky tack penalties helped get the Saints into field goal range. Without those...what would the Saints have to show for being around since 1967? I mean we are talking about the team with the 5th worst winning percentage in NFL history.

This is our year! Saints all the way! Boo to the Seachickens!

Come on man. You know that all teams need bounces to go their way. You cant say the Saints were the recipients of luck without sounding ridiculous.

[cajunhawk]

This is our year! Saints all the way! Boo to the Seachickens!

Come on man. You know that all teams need bounces to go their way. You cant say the Saints were the recipients of luck without sounding ridiculous.

7-9...again

[Hark Mudspeth]

7-9...again

Maybe we can get as lucky as the Seahawks and host a playoff game at 7-9

[Ragin4U]

Maybe we can get as lucky as the Seahawks and host a playoff game at 7-9

The only negative to that post is who they beat in the Wildcard game.

[Just1More]

Having a defense that creates takeaways will win you games, having an offense that the only goal is to not turn it over will not. Having an offense that attacks and isn't scared of the turnovers that come with aggression coupled with a defense that gives that offense 3 or 4 extra possessions is where "winning the turnover battle" usually means you win. Simply having one less turnover than the other team doesn't not. There is a lot of truth to winning the turnover battle, depends how you do it. See Saints 2009

If a coaching staff wants to train defensive players to NOT ONLY TACKLE... but jump pass routes... or go for stripping the ball... to create turnovers... have at it. If a coaching staff wants to train a defense to force 3 and outs by sending pass rushers (and risking a big play) or teaching a secondary how to read WRs, get up on the line and disrupt routes, and actually know what they're doing... have at it. That is just called "creating a great defense".

That said. It has nothing to do with how you run your offense. So no... there is no "turnover battle". You teach defenses how and what you think they can learn and do on the field to create 3 and outs... or create interceptions and fumbles. You train individual skill players on how to protect the ball. But you DO NOT hold an offense back because you're constantly worried that they can't pass and catch the ball.

There is no such thing as a turnover battle. There isn't a "time of possession battle". There isn't a "field position battle". There isn't a "number of plays battle". There isn't a "my coach is stronger than your coach battle". There is only a "final score battle". And we've lost more than we've won the past two years.

[Hark Mudspeth]

If a coaching staff wants to train defensive players to NOT ONLY TACKLE... but jump pass routes... or go for stripping the ball... to create turnovers... have at it. If a coaching staff wants to train a defense to force 3 and outs by sending pass rushers (and risking a big play) or teaching a secondary how to read WRs, get up on the line and disrupt routes, and actually know what they're doing... have at it. That is just called "creating a great defense".

That said. It has nothing to do with how you run your offense. So no... there is no "turnover battle". You teach defenses how and what you think they can learn and do on the field to create 3 and outs... or create interceptions and fumbles. You train individual skill players on how to protect the ball. But you DO NOT hold an offense back because you're constantly worried that they can't pass and catch the ball.

There is no such thing as a turnover battle. There isn't a "time of possession battle". There isn't a "field position battle". There isn't a "number of plays battle". There isn't a "my coach is stronger than your coach battle". There is only a "final score battle". And we've lost more than we've won the past two years.

Are you just expounding on what I said? Because that's what I said. The good and great times are on the plus side of turnover margin ever year but it's a by product of how they do it. The saints defense gave up tons of yardage but they also created turnovers by blitzing non stop...which caused them to give up chunks of yards. We all know Sean Payton isn't scared of an offensive turnover but you keep giving drew Bree's the ball back and you gonna win a lot of games. Simply kneeling 3 times and never turning it over won't cut it which is essentially what the Cajuns did. It's how you do it. It's not a total asinine theory, Hud made it one.

[Just1More]

Are you just expounding on what I said? Because that's what I said. The good and great times are on the plus side of turnover margin ever year but it's a by product of how they do it. The saints defense gave up tons of yardage but they also created turnovers by blitzing non stop...which caused them to give up chunks of yards. We all know Sean Payton isn't scared of an offensive turnover but you keep giving drew Bree's the ball back and you gonna win a lot of games. Simply kneeling 3 times and never turning it over won't cut it which is essentially what the Cajuns did. It's how you do it. It's not a total asinine theory, Hud made it one.

I don't disagree with your reflection on the 2009 Saints. And I know you are in agreement on how Hud mismanaged the Cajun offense. But I do not want to allow Hud to go back the dopey coach speak of "turnover battles" ever again. His arguments for shutting down our passing attack... "to win the turnover battle" were founded on his fear of making mistakes.

There is nothing synchronized with our offense and defense in this fictitious "turnover battle" plot. I have no issue with a coach talking about teaching turnover techniques to a defense. Or teaching offensive skill people how to hold onto the ball. But I cannot tolerate risk averse coaching on offense. From risk comes more reward than failure... if your coaching staff is intelligent and knows how to teach.

[cajunhawk]

Maybe we can get as lucky as the Seahawks and host a playoff game at 7-9

Or like the 1990 Saints who made the playoffs at 8-8? At least the Hawks won their playoff game at .500 or less.

[Hark Mudspeth]

Or like the 1990 Saints who made the playoffs at 8-8? At least the Hawks won their playoff game at .500 or less.

I never claimed the saints never had any luck, quite the opposite. According to You the Seahawks have earned every single yard without so much as a holding penalty going their way.

[cajunhawk]

I never claimed the saints never had any luck, quite the opposite. According to You the Seahawks have earned every single yard without so much as a holding penalty going their way.

Do you need a kleenex?