RPI Musings

[VObserver]

Cajuns fall to 83 today, per Warren Nolan; NCAA not yet updated.

[wcd35]

Nicholls State was ahead of us the other day but I am not sure where they are now. Their victory over Boston College which plays in the ACC (lost to Duke by 9 today) really helps them in RPI. The fact they are ahead of us shows the tool is not perfect when comparing teams. We beat Nicholls by 30 and would win at least 9 of ten against them. Their loss today with our win may make us tops in the state at this stage.

EDIT:

Home/Road is more severe in basketball. Totally missed that note in the formula I was looking at

Nicholls had a great RPI because their Strength of Schedule was #6 late last week. They played a good deal of teams with great W/L records. Even having a record just over .500, they were boosted by the other factors in the formula.

You are right though, it is not a perfect tool. Also, it does improve as more teams play each other as GoneGolfin notes in baseball discussions

[lcitsh]

"Thread: RPI Musings

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The title of the thread is RPI Musings. It does not specify gender.

[cajundiehard]

It's the standard .25 WP/.50 OWP/.25 OOWP without the home and road factors that BSB has.

Wow. That is strange. Seems basketball should have a bigger home/road component as it seems to be much harder to win on the road in basketball.

[Cajunsmike]

Wow. That is strange. Seems basketball should have a bigger home/road component as it seems to be much harder to win on the road in basketball.

There is a home/away adjustment to the formula. Not sure exactly what it is. I have always felt there should be an adjustment to the formula so as it is 1/3 for all three factors. Reason for that is mid majors do not get the opportunity to have TV schools come to their place. If you are in a major conference you do. That is why teams that are 6 and 10 in major leagues get considered for the tourney as they likely pulled a big home upset. Like most things in the NCAA, things are set to help the major teams. That is life and you just have to overcome it. I simply point this out for fans of major schools. Some of which I have little respect for as they do not play out of conference road games. LSU is an example. The only true non conference road game they played was at Wake Forest. Other than Houston, all of their home games in non-conference were rent-a-wins (paid opponent to go to Baton Rouge without having to make a return visit). Not picking on the Tigers specifically, but that is common for many schools in the major leagues and many of their fans are not even aware of this advantage. Another way the RPI could be improved is to give less credence to home rent-a-wins. In other words a home win in a game in which you return the visit the next year would carry more weight than one in which you simply pay the opponent to show up. I bet that would change the scheduling approach for many teams and the tool would then become a more accurate representation of the strength of teams.

[wcd35]

Wow. That is strange. Seems basketball should have a bigger home/road component as it seems to be much harder to win on the road in basketball.

Yep, I missed the note on that formula. That is my bad.

The home road factors in baseball are 1.3 and 0.7.

Basketball is 1.4 and 0.6. Even harsher penalty for a home loss and bigger reward for road win. That affects the first portion of the formula (your win percentage)

[IberiaCajun]

Thanks. That's what I was using, but wanted to confirm. There are sure a bunch of different sites out there......I guess they have different processes to try to rank teams/conferences?

And here is another one for your perusal: TeamRankings.com

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Louisiana-Lafayette Basketball
Predictions Update
Jan 8, 2017
• After beating LA Monroe 69-60 yesterday, Louisiana-Lafayette is now projected to finish the regular season 22-9 (12-6 Sun Belt).
• The odds that the Ragin' Cajuns make the NCAA tournament are currently 35%.
• We currently rank Louisiana-Lafayette as the #96 team in the country, and the #2 team in the Sun Belt.
• Next game: Sat, Jan 14 vs. #133 GA Southern. Our power ratings give the Ragin' Cajuns a 74% chance to win.
Bracketology Projections

[VObserver]

NCAA Updated: Cajuns at 83.

Women at 184

[LaCajunsFan]

NCAA Updated: Cajuns at 83.

Women at 184

Another stupid question: what's the sagarin rating thing about? Is that based on rpi? I guess I just don't understand the huge, seemingly endless, proliferation of different 'ranking' sites out there.

[Cajunsmike]

Another stupid question: what's the sagarin rating thing about? Is that based on rpi? I guess I just don't understand the huge, seemingly endless, proliferation of different 'ranking' sites out there.

My understanding is that Sagarin takes margin of victory into account in compiling their rankings. Not sure how else it compares to RPI.

[Policarp]

Sagarin still has some of the 2015-16 year weighted in. When this ages out (dont know when, it's well overdue) you'll see UL shoot up here. Sunbelt in general will improve.

[LaCajunsFan]

Sagarin still has some of the 2015-16 year weighted in. When this ages out (dont know when, it's well overdue) you'll see UL shoot up here. Sunbelt in general will improve.

Ah, that explains a lot: i saw on the @ruston board they have a thread based on sagarin rankings. In it, we are at virtuallty the same ranking as the mutts, when of course that is not at all the case. Guess you have to hang your hat on something when your team breaks the loosing streak of one of the worst teams currently playing, utsa.....in rustonia. Lol.

[BeauCajun]

My understanding is that Sagarin takes margin of victory into account in compiling their rankings. Not sure how else it compares to RPI.

Check with Boomer regarding the Sag. He's already the master of Mass. I'm sure he's fully aware of the Sag.

[Boomer]

Check with Boomer regarding the Sag. He's already the master of Mass. I'm sure he's fully aware of the Sag.

---No Beau you got this one wrong---VOB got me on the Massey deal and I have been faithful to it and how easy it is to just check it---BTW enjoyed the athleticism of the ladies this w/e!!!

[lcitsh]

Delaware State's 1 point road victory over a team with a winning record bumped the men up 3 spots.

http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/weekly...17MBBrpi3.html

42 43 UT Arlington Sun Belt 12-4 6-4 0-0 4-0 2-0
72 72 Arkansas St. Sun Belt 11-6 4-5 1-1 5-0 1-0
84 87 Louisiana Sun Belt 12-4 4-4 0-0 6-0 2-0
103 103 Ga. Southern Sun Belt 10-6 3-5 2-0 3-1 2-0
137 143 Georgia St. Sun Belt 8-7 1-5 2-0 3-2 2-0
196 188 Coastal Caro. Sun Belt 8-9 1-5 1-0 4-4 2-0
214 214 Little Rock Sun Belt 11-6 3-3 2-1 4-2 2-0
224 224 Troy Sun Belt 9-8 2-7 2-0 3-1 2-0
227 229 South Ala. Sun Belt 8-8 2-5 0-0 4-3 2-0
244 240 Appalachian St. Sun Belt 6-9 1-7 0-0 3-2 2-0
284 283 Texas St. Sun Belt 9-6 1-4 2-0 4-2 2-0
295 293 La.-Monroe Sun Belt 6-10 1-7 0-3 3-0 2-0

Women have work to do.

http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/weekly...17WBBrpi3.html

47 46 UT Arlington Sun Belt 10-3 3-2 1-0 4-1 2-0
51 52 Little Rock Sun Belt 10-6 5-4 0-0 5-2 0-0
105 100 Troy Sun Belt 10-4 4-3 2-0 2-1 2-0
155 164 Appalachian St. Sun Belt 7-8 3-5 1-0 3-3 0-0
168 170 South Ala. Sun Belt 7-7 3-3 1-1 1-3 2-0
184 185 Louisiana Sun Belt 8-4 2-2 1-1 3-1 2-0
244 244 Texas St. Sun Belt 6-8 2-4 0-0 4-3 0-1
250 249 Georgia St. Sun Belt 5-9 2-2 1-2 1-5 1-0
259 263 Coastal Caro. Sun Belt 6-8 2-5 1-0 2-2 1-1
313 315 Ga. Southern Sun Belt 4-10 1-5 0-0 2-5 1-0
320 319 Arkansas St. Sun Belt 3-13 0-8 1-2 2-3 0-0
340 340 La.-Monroe Sun Belt 3-11 1-7 0-0 0-4 2-0