Jay Hedgeman issued summons for posession

[zephyr]

By my count...if I didn't miss any...19 transfers, 3 quit and 3 non-qualify...another was just begged to stay and we are a long way from November. No way of knowing how many recruits we missed on because of issues, basketball is probably the biggest word of mouth sport there is.

We haven't even really talked about recruiting in this thread. We have a major inability to recruit solid high school prospects in this state. Granted, we are not the only ones as this state is often hit hard by outside schools coming in and getting some of our better recruits as LSU isn't even as successful getting those top guys as i would have thought they'd be. Just like football, we need to be a much bigger player in attracting our state's better players to stick around.

[zephyr]

I never said the coaching staff was not a factor in people leaving. In some cases they are the major factor as they did not offer players a returning scholarship. Guys like Soto and Kamber fit that bill. That is a recruiting issue, not a retention issue. Giving a guy a scholarship and then pulling it after one year indicates your judge of talent was off. In the cases involving suspensions, it is not surprising players don't return as they probably figure the underlying issues will linger. Andrews, JJ Thomas, and Hedgeman fit that bill. Then there is someone like Heyward Register who believes he will benefit by going away from home for their last year. Staff and family agree with that view. I don't know what is normal for folks leaving but it is increasing everywhere. It has been over 700 the last few years. I recently read an article stating that it will be over 800 this year which averages to about 2.5 players per school.

The other side of the coin are the players who think the world of the staff. Josh Brown, Elfrid Payton, Bryant Mbamalu, Kasey Shepherd and others including Shawn Long are in that category. They believe the guys in charge of the program helped them grow as players and into young men. As Just1More stated, lots of gray in this situation.

Going forward, I recently spoke with a staff member about the view of next season. They are really looking forward to it. They think they will have a lot of fun proving a so many people wrong. I don't know what will transpire next year but that attitude is one I would hope they have at this stage.

Mike, is Wooten going to be here next season?

[duggie85]

Well I would hope you can find a handful of kids who like the staff out of 80 or 90. Shawn sat several games for "violation of team rules"... A lot more than all the rest combined, he was never sent packing. Not sure what else you would expect the staff to say? We aren't very talented, we haven't been recruiting well, a guy we were excited about doesn't want to be here...we will be lucky to win 10 games? But hey go prove me wrong and win the SBC championshiop crown and tourney...or get an at large. Nothing else will prove anybody wrong....finishing 4th and getting elimated in the quarters or semis don't cut it. I hope for the guys that are actually here
That no other "issues" come up before the start of next season so they might actually have a chance. It isn't gray for me... Like I said earlier... No need to air things on here now, he isn't going anywhere.

By no means am I saying your overall message in this thread is wrong, bc it's not, but when it comes to Davis, why do you keep saying he doesn't want to be here? He can leave our school anytime he wants. And he officially hasnt. So doesn't that mean he wants to be here??

[CrazyCajun]

We haven't even really talked about recruiting in this thread. We have a major inability to recruit solid high school prospects in this state. Granted, we are not the only ones as this state is often hit hard by outside schools coming in and getting some of our better recruits as LSU isn't even as successful getting those top guys as i would have thought they'd be. Just like football, we need to be a much bigger player in attracting our state's better players to stick around.

our couch has a recruiting problem. I'm sure somehow none of that is his fault either. The attrition problem and recruiting are related. You can either relate to players or you can't.

[CrazyCajun]

By no means am I saying your overall message in this thread is wrong, bc it's not, but when it comes to Davis, why do you keep saying he doesn't want to be here? He can leave our school anytime he wants. And he officially hasnt. So doesn't that mean he wants to be here??

No, I'll leave it at that.

[Ragin4U]

I think his retention rate has been less than reasonable. But, what I don't know... is whether what we (he) has experienced is normal to schools within our basketball peer group. Everyone keeps tallying up (and then arguing over) the people that have left the program in one way or another since Marlin arrived. That does not tell me anything about whether that's common to other similar programs or not. And only knowing that would allow us to say it's above, below or average.

That's my point. One poster states unequivocally that Marlins transfer rate is much higher than average but when asked for numbers responds with "you do the research". Which tells me he is only going on opinion. I truly dont know if thats correct or not and was just wondering if there was data to back up the claim. Someone posted about 12 names which is right on the average but that
You're right in that one would have to sort the reasons and assign blame for the transfers.
I'm ok with a transfer because I think that says more about the kid than the coach UNLESS it becomes a pattern. Kids come in knowing the expectations and if those arent met, I'm ok with them not representing this University.

[zephyr]

By no means am I saying your overall message in this thread is wrong, bc it's not, but when it comes to Davis, why do you keep saying he doesn't want to be here? He can leave our school anytime he wants. And he officially hasnt. So doesn't that mean he wants to be here??

Again, most of us know very little of this situation but we can only comment on what appears to be there and it appears that we have kept him here by a very thin thread. He announced he was leaving and then the staff was apparently successful in talking him into staying. That doesn't exude a complete commitment to this program on his part IMO and I think that's what CC is saying.

[CrazyCajun]

That's my point. One poster states unequivocally that Marlins transfer rate is much higher than average but when asked for numbers responds with "you do the research". Which tells me he is only going on opinion. I truly dont know if thats correct or not and was just wondering if there was data to back up the claim. Someone posted about 12 names which is right on the average but that
You're right in that one would have to sort the reasons and assign blame for the transfers.
I'm ok with a transfer because I think that says more about the kid than the coach UNLESS it becomes a pattern. Kids come in knowing the expectations and if those arent met, I'm ok with them not representing this University.

I posted the numbers above 25 in 6 years...if I'm not forgetting anyone

[zephyr]

That's my point. One poster states unequivocally that Marlins transfer rate is much higher than average but when asked for numbers responds with "you do the research". Which tells me he is only going on opinion. I truly dont know if thats correct or not and was just wondering if there was data to back up the claim. Someone posted about 12 names which is right on the average but that
You're right in that one would have to sort the reasons and assign blame for the transfers.
I'm ok with a transfer because I think that says more about the kid than the coach UNLESS it becomes a pattern. Kids come in knowing the expectations and if those arent met, I'm ok with them not representing this University.

19+ in 5 years is more than the stated average.

[duggie85]

No, I'll leave it at that.

Please don't let it be he wanted to leave but no one else wanted him!! Which presents us 2 problems with this case: retention & recruiting?!?! Haha j/j

[Ragin4U]

19+ in 5 years is more than the stated average.

True

[Ragin4U]

A whole lot more "never bob" going on around here than "always Bob". Bob Marlin is not some unlucky innocent bystander in all of this. What is going on isn't "normal" or ""average" I hope more than anyone he turns it around but unless he drastically changes what he is doing and how he goes about recruiting and handling his players it's only a matter of time.

Curious as to what Marlin would do to make a player want a transfer.