New York Post uses University of Louisiana :-)

[CrazyCajun]

All we need to do is convince Isis to put catalytic converters on their vehicles or convince India to use smart cars...maybe China will will put filtration systems on their child labor sweatshops. Maybe all the far left liberal Hollywood types will park their jets and tour buses and start using bikes. Only humans are that arrogant to think we have that much impact. We aren't even a pimple on the earths ___ in the grand scheme of things. Does anyone know the long term effect of covering the earth with solar panels? No? Didn't think so.

[Turbine]

Gibberish Jibberish!

What does all this have to do with the price of Tea in China?

http://m.phys.org/news/2016-04-monso...tea-yield.html

PS just kidding about the gibberish part.

[VObserver]

1. Agreed
2. Even if data shows that the climate is warming faster and more dramatically than average which coincides with increased levels of atmospheric CO2? Why do you think its part of the normal cycle?
3. Absolutely. Doesnt it follow that increased levels trap more heat?
4. http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-40-years-ago/ http://fortune.com/2015/09/16/exxon-climate-change/ http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/exxon...ange-research/
5. Agreed.It just seems odd that they would pump billions of dollars into solar, wind, etc and then figure out they wouldnt make moey.

And your last statement is disingenuous. Cow chips and wood arent used because they are not feasible not because people are trying to protect cow crap. Maybe governments are subsidizing renewables to keep ahead of the curb. From an economic standpoint it makes sense to diversify. Have you taken a look around Lafayette and Houston lately? Remember the '80s?

Wood, grass and cow chips are not feasible, I agree. Neither are wind, solar or tidal energy systems. Which is exactly my point. Thanks for making it for me.

With regard to 5, they invested in researching alternative energies because they have a vested interest in remaining the primary source of energy and the associated technologies indefinitely. Unlike governments, their only motive is economic. Once they knew that alternatives were economically not feasible at this time, they curtailed the flow of dollars into the research of said alternatives. Trust me, there are still scientists and engineers on big energy-related companies payroll who are busy trying to discover technologies that will make alternatives feasible. Just not as many, because they know it isn't close, yet.

[VObserver]

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[Just1More]

Agreed. As a society we seemed to have moved towards an "all or nothing", "us against them", way of thinking. Our mutual interests are usually aligned but human nature tends to intervene. See Tragedy of the Commons

That's nothing new. We should expect the most invested factions on opposing sides of an issue to press their singular one-sided view. It's the scientists I'm troubled with. Science itself is perfect. What's changed in recent times is the immediate release of conclusions, by scientists, that are not anywhere near completed science. Science, to me, is pure and perfect, by definition. Even when scientific study draws incorrect conclusions, more science is the only mechanism that corrects it. It isn't that man made climate change isn't factual. The conclusions are premature. And their prematurity is dangerous. There should be scientists, by huge volumes, throwing fits over what's being "concluded". And the fact that's not happening, is severely troubling. I could care less about corporate opinions or leftist environmental opinions. Science is the holy grail. There's no space in the beaker for human opinion.

BTW... please wrap your good mind around what I actually said about the Valdez and the BP oil spill. I know oil got spilled. I know it's still around. Tar balls and oil slicks aren't the least bit wonderful. My comment was regarding what biologists stated were the long range impacts. And they were dead ___ wrong. Go back and read what they concluded from their original studies. It did not limit the impact to "there will be a tar ball or oil slick found on occasion". They sited tremendous biological disasters of a magnitude 1000 times what occurred... both in severity and length of time. They used every available model using every known sample and test method known to science... and they were dead ___ wrong. They just said "oh, that's ok... we probably forced greater care of our environment... so what's the damage?". In that case, nothing on a global scale. But getting man made climate change wrong is a mistake with massive far reaching consequences... politically.

My request is "get the damn politics out of the beaker... and Please until you converge on irrefutable science". It matters. The public is too stupid to know what the science presented means. Tree rings and hockey stick graphs already had many scientists "convinced". And that is downright tragic. This is too important to exaggerate the cause and effect. And had I not seen this before, I too would be an ignorant believer. That's the cool thing to do in this case... if you're a complete dumbass.

[CajunRed]

I'm not sure who "they" are.
Facts include 2015 was warmest ever recorded. By a lot. Like 1.5 degrees C. Also over the past 20 years or so we have recorded 15 of the hottest years ever. Another fact is that Arctic sea ice levels are at historical minimums for the second straight year. Another fact is that new record lows for sea ice have happened consecutively over the past decade. Permafrost is melting at record rates in the Arctic. Sea levels have risen over 3 mm every year for the past 30 years. Atmospheric CO2 levels have steadily risen and correlate very well with these events.
Those are facts. The conclusion is that human activity is playing some role in these events.
Also thank you Red for the civil and thoughtful discussion

Speaking of "they"...

http://ecowatch.com/2015/03/16/al-go...imate-deniers/

Al, along with many of his crackpot friends and followers, is now saying that non-believers need to be punished.

-----The former vice president focused on the need to “punish climate-change deniers, saying politicians should pay a price for rejecting ‘accepted science,'” said the Chicago Tribune.-----

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/17/sc...#ixzz45QThVHZj

-----The science on global warming is settled, so settled that 20 climate scientists are asking President Barack Obama to prosecute people who disagree with them on the science behind man-made global warming.-----


So..."they" happens to be all of the leftists, including these supposed scientists who haven't yet proven anything, who are demanding that any opposition or questioning be stopped and punished. But I haven't heard of any of them selling their large houses...or their private jets...or their luxury cars. They should be FORCED to drive those little battery powered toys that they want US to buy.

[Zeebart21]

That's nothing new. We should expect the most invested factions on opposing sides of an issue to press their singular one-sided view. It's the scientists I'm troubled with. Science itself is perfect. What's changed in recent times is the immediate release of conclusions, by scientists, that are not anywhere near completed science. Science, to me, is pure and perfect, by definition. Even when scientific study draws incorrect conclusions, more science is the only mechanism that corrects it. It isn't that man made climate change isn't factual. The conclusions are premature. And their prematurity is dangerous. There should be scientists, by huge volumes, throwing fits over what's being "concluded". And the fact that's not happening, is severely troubling. I could care less about corporate opinions or leftist environmental opinions. Science is the holy grail. There's no space in the beaker for human opinion.

BTW... please wrap your good mind around what I actually said about the Valdez and the BP oil spill. I know oil got spilled. I know it's still around. Tar balls and oil slicks aren't the least bit wonderful. My comment was regarding what biologists stated were the long range impacts. And they were dead ___ wrong. Go back and read what they concluded from their original studies. It did not limit the impact to "there will be a tar ball or oil slick found on occasion". They sited tremendous biological disasters of a magnitude 1000 times what occurred... both in severity and length of time. They used every available model using every known sample and test method known to science... and they were dead ___ wrong. They just said "oh, that's ok... we probably forced greater care of our environment... so what's the damage?". In that case, nothing on a global scale. But getting man made climate change wrong is a mistake with massive far reaching consequences... politically.

My request is "get the damn politics out of the beaker... and Please until you converge on irrefutable science". It matters. The public is too stupid to know what the science presented means. Tree rings and hockey stick graphs already had many scientists "convinced". And that is downright tragic. This is too important to exaggerate the cause and effect. And had I not seen this before, I too would be an ignorant believer. That's the cool thing to do in this case... if you're a complete dumbass.

Wait a minute, I thought 97% of the scientist agreed! Its settled science! We are going to hell in a hand basket!!!

Z

[Zeebart21]

Speaking of "they"...

http://ecowatch.com/2015/03/16/al-go...imate-deniers/

Al, along with many of his crackpot friends and followers, is now saying that non-believers need to be punished.

-----The former vice president focused on the need to “punish climate-change deniers, saying politicians should pay a price for rejecting ‘accepted science,'” said the Chicago Tribune.-----

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/17/sc...#ixzz45QThVHZj

-----The science on global warming is settled, so settled that 20 climate scientists are asking President Barack Obama to prosecute people who disagree with them on the science behind man-made global warming.-----


So..."they" happens to be all of the leftists, including these supposed scientists who haven't yet proven anything, who are demanding that any opposition or questioning be stopped and punished. But I haven't heard of any of them selling their large houses...or their private jets...or their luxury cars. They should be FORCED to drive those little battery powered toys that they want US to buy.

What the hell, you have to be forced to buy health care, why not force everyone to believe in Global warming, errr, climate change,err climate adjustment....

[Just1More]

So..."they" happens to be all of the leftists, including these supposed scientists who haven't yet proven anything, who are demanding that any opposition or questioning be stopped and punished. But I haven't heard of any of them selling their large houses...or their private jets...or their luxury cars. They should be FORCED to drive those little battery powered toys that they want US to buy.

Ive actually thought we could all agree on laws that punish any "accepters" that haven't abandoned the use of petroleum products in all areas of their personal lives. This will stimulate and accelerate the discovery of "alternatives" while immediately reducing greenhouse gases. Afterall, 97% of scientists would immediately be living in the Stone Age. The incentive to solve numerous issues would be fantastic.

[Turbine]

Another interesting current effect of Earth's ever changing climate.

http://m.phys.org/news/2016-04-nasa-global-earth.html

[CajunRed]

Another interesting current effect of Earth's ever changing climate.

http://m.phys.org/news/2016-04-nasa-global-earth.html

Are you freakin kidding me. They never cease to amaze.

I wonder if that wobble was impacted by all the prior times in history when the earth's temps warmed or cooled...or just this time.

I can just see the new t-shirts now -- "Help protect the wobble"

[Turbine]

This just in! Older scientist at A&M Colleges across the country are reporting trouble keeping their balance.

Their observations are attributed to earths new found wobble, reports the Bearings Straight News.