4/4 softball rpi rankings

[31Ragin97]

If a player is on academic scholarship granted by the University or its affiliates, the scholarship is charged as an athletic scholarship. Only independently granted and administered academic scholarships [like TOPS, or a SLEMCO scholarship] do not count toward the athletic total. ALL schools in non-headcount sports try to get players who meet one of two criteria; 1. They are smart and have an academic scholarship from an entity not related to the school, or 2. They are poor, and qualify for a Pell Grant..

Thanks, i hope you are right. Some schools have big reaches and influence over these outside entities

[jllanclos]

Im sure the big boys\ girls will immediately create a new rpi formula, lol

Softball has (very reluctantly) been open to (and implemented) changed Mike Lotief fought for.

That's why we've hosted a Super Regional.

[barchief]

If a player is on academic scholarship granted by the University or its affiliates, the scholarship is charged as an athletic scholarship. Only independently granted and administered academic scholarships [like TOPS, or a SLEMCO scholarship] do not count toward the athletic total. ALL schools in non-headcount sports try to get players who meet one of two criteria; 1. They are smart and have an academic scholarship from an entity not related to the school, or 2. They are poor, and qualify for a Pell Grant..

So Beau's $700 buck a semester academic scholarship that he gets based on his ACT score counts against the track/cross country team's scholarship numbers? You sure about that? That would mean that every walk-on that has an academic scholarship would count against their sport's numbers.... heck... that would be 99% of every Cross Country team in the NCAA. If you look up the sports in the NCAA with the highest GPA, the Cross Country teams are almost always near the top.

That would make no sense... so you could have an academically gifted athlete, who is a middle-tier talent in a particular sport, but if they were smart enough to get a full ride, they would count against the team harder than a high-tier talent that is on half athletic (very rare that a track or cross country talent gets a full ride, since the numbers count for both)

for example... UL offers the following scholarship that is based solely on ACT score and high school GPA.....you make the numbers, you get the scholarship...these are the 2016-2017 numbers

Outstanding Student Scholarship
Selection Criteria

ACT Composite: 32+ (SAT 1400+)
3.0 cumulative GPA

Award ($53,400*)

$1,200/semester for 8 semesters
Room and Board for 8 semesters
Campus Job for 8 semesters
Laptop computer for 8 semesters

here is the criteria for the scholarship the Beau is currently on...

Academic Excellence Scholarship
Selection Criteria

ACT Composite: 25-26 (SAT 1130-1200)
3.0 Cumulative GPA

Award ($6,400 - $7,200)

3.5 - 4.0 cumulative GPA $ 900/semester for 8 semesters
3.0 - 3.49 cumulative GPA $ 800/semester for 8 semesters

[VObserver]

If it comes from the university, yes. If from an outside entity, no.

[barchief]

If it comes from the university, yes. If from an outside entity, no.

I am going to have to research that.... I wonder if it is a scholarship that is from the University, but is based on firm criteria with no subjective selection, then it does not count, as it would be available to ANYONE that makes those numbers, as opposed to just giving away a scholarship with less than stellar grades.

[barchief]

found it...it doesn't count, but you have to watch your P's and Q's... and the rules are different for Football and Basketball... first rule is for all sports besides Football and Basketball

15.5.1.1

No Athletics Aid—Certification Required.

A student-athlete [except for a recruited football or basketball student-athlete (per Bylaw 15.02.8)] who does not receive athletically related financial aid per Bylaw 15.5.1-(a) or 15.5.1-(b) but receives institutional financial aid (as set forth in Bylaw 15.02.4.1) shall not be a counter if the faculty athletics representative and the director of financial aid have certified that the student-athlete’s financial aid was granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability. The certification shall be kept on file in the office of the athletics director. (Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

15.5.1.2

Football or Basketball, Varsity Competition.

In football or basketball, a student-athlete who was recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution and who receives institutional financial aid (as set forth in Bylaw 15.02.4.1) granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability does not have to be counted until the student-athlete engages in varsity intercollegiate competition (as opposed to freshman, B-team, sub-varsity, intramural or club competition) in those sports. For this provision to be applicable, there shall be on file in the office of the athletics director certification by the faculty athletics representative, the admissions officer and the chair of the financial aid committee that the student’s admission and financial aid were granted without regard in any degree to athletics ability. (Revised: 1/16/93 effective 8/1/93, 1/11/94, 6/20/04, 1/15/11 effective8/1/11)


15.5.1.2.1


Exception—Receipt of Institutional Academic Aid Only.

In football or basketball, a student-athlete who was recruited (see Bylaw 15.02.8) by the awarding institution and whose only source of institutional financial aid is academic aid based solely on the recipient’s academic record at the certifying institution, awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all such awards made by the institution, may compete without counting in the institution’s financial aid team limits, provided he or she has completed at least one academic year of full-time enrollment at the certifying institution and has achieved a cumulative grade-point average of at least 3.000 (on a 4.000 scale) at the certifying institution. (Adopted: 10/27/05 effective 8/1/06, Revised: 1/15/11 effective 8/1/11)

[Boomer]

I am going to have to research that.... I wonder if it is a scholarship that is from the University, but is based on firm criteria with no subjective selection, then it does not count, as it would be available to ANYONE that makes those numbers, as opposed to just giving away a scholarship with less than stellar grades.

---I have been giving off and on a s-ship to UL since about 1985---We still kind of have it in the foundation---can I give it to an athlete or can one be considered an agent of the university---BTW an athlete has never gotten it but it is based with the help of UL on financial aid, GPA, and ACT scores

[barchief]

also found this...

15.5.3.2.2 Exceptions.
15.5.3.2.2.1
Academic Honor Awards—Based on High School Record.
Academic honor awards that are part of an institution's normal arrangements for academic scholarships, based solely on the recipient's high school record and awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all such awards made by institutions, are exempt from an institution's equivalency computation, provided the recipient was ranked in the upper 10 percent of the high school graduating class or achieved a cumulative grade-point average of at least 3.500 (based on a maximum of 4.000) or a minimum ACT sum score of 105 or a minimum SAT score of 1200 (critical reading and math).

[barchief]

So... the Cliff's Notes version is this..

In all sports except football and basketball, if you receive ANY athletic scholarship money, any academic money you get counts, unless it is based on firm criteria that is available to all students to receive and "consistent with the pattern of all such awards made by institutions"

If you are a football or basketball player, and you have a full ride academically, you will count toward the headcount limit the minute you step on the field/court in a game... if, after a year at the university, they are full time and have a 3.0 GPA, they no longer count against the headcount. Same rules apply though...The scholarship has to be "awarded independently of athletics interests and in amounts consistent with the pattern of all such awards made by the institution"

[VObserver]

Those are rather recent rules changes. Probably brought about because of the inflexibility of the old ones.

[lcitsh]

Turbine, any chance you can move these scholarship posts to another thread since they have nothing to do with softball rankings? Thanks.