Jay Hedgemen suspended

[Bigbuf]

So you think its okay that it'd be okay if the told his coach to go f himself??

Not ideally, no.

Come on now...not ideally???

Just another instance of this "message" board or you for that matter sticking their nose where it really doesnt belong.

If you have as much influence and access you say you have and you honestly think that it is OK for a college player to EVER disagree openly with a coach, I hope your have absolutely no contact with any players at UL. If the player has an issue, take it behind closed doors and curse, scream and do what ever it take to get it out, come up with a plan to fix the issue, then shake hands and move on.

Coach Robe is a highly respected member of the NCAA elite coaches and I would expect he would do just the same.

But from people that know more than I do about what happen, hell maybe even more than you, it seem the f you is not the reason for his suspension.

Maybe if the player would have followed the team and University rules he would not be suspended?

[jumboragncajun]

I do not believe the staff has issues with game preparation, motivation, or adjustments. An example of adjustments is the Little Rock game where the Trojans executed several plays in the first half to get layups as they were able to move Shawn Long away from the basket and there was no rim protector near the goal. In the second half of that game, the Trojans had very little of those due to adjustments the staff made at half.

I thought they still had some easy buckets in the second half. I asked one of our players a few days later why the hell they did not go to a zone when we just couldn't stop that and his response was "We are just not very good at zone defense."

[scotto_25]

I thought they still had some easy buckets in the second half. I asked one of our players a few days later why the hell they did not go to a zone when we just couldn't stop that and his response was "We are just not very good at zone defense."

We're not a very good zone offense either. Brickers gonna brick man

[ZoomZoom]

We're not a very good zone offense either. Brickers gonna brick man

Hell, we're pretty good at air balls too!

[zephyr]

Hence the quote.........

"Braeden your dad makes good money, but not Duke money"

Duke sucks anyway.....He will be happier not going.

[zephyr]

So here is my question for those that are closer to the program than me. I will preface this by saying that I have coached AAU and Rec basketball for the better part of 20 years. My son currently starts on his JV High School team as a freshman in North Carolina and also has played 3 seasons of AAU ball. So while I am not an expert, I feel that I am extremely knowledgeable about playing and coaching basketball.

I am a fan of Marlin's, do I always like the results, no, but overall we are definitely a better than average basketball team and based on coming off of the Lee years, we could definitely have done worse as a hire.

So my question is this for those of you that are not Marlin fans:

Is it in game coaching or coaching in general that is Marlin's biggest issue. Being around coaching allot the last 20 years, there is a huge difference. Reason I ask, is you can take a guy like Roy Williams at UNC, he is one of the best recruiters in the country and a very good coach at getting teams ready to play (but personally I think he is a terrible in game coach, meaning he blows close games because he is outcoached during the game and does not think quick enough on his feet about rotations, defenses, etc.

My son is playing on a team that has the same issue right now. I have been at a majority of his practices and games. He is fantastic in working plays, defenses and motivating kids, but his in game decisions are questionable. That being said they are 18-5 this year, so he is doing something right. But of the 5 games he has lost he was severely outcoached in the second half of ball games. The opposing coaches made in game changes and we could not overcome those changes. He gets stuck playing zone when teams are killing us from 3 point land or we are going against a team with one superb player and fails to switch to the box and 1 or to man to man with our best defender on that player.

I just want someone's opinion if Marlin gets outcoached during the game or is it a lack of preperation?

I will comment on a very non-important part of this discussion and that is the Roy Williams commentary. I am a diehard UNC fan (just got back from seeing them play Duke and Miami in Chapel Hill) and I have similar statements about Roy in terms of in game coaching. The problem I see is not that Roy can't coach but, rather, he is too stubborn to make in game adjustments that don't fit what he likes to do as a coach and team. He wants his teams to play Man to man and get out in transition and feed the post. They are horrible at playing the perimeter pick and roll and every team exploits this. Rather than sometimes go to zone, he will continue to hammer away with continued philosophies. A prime example is at the end of the Duke game when they had 3 timeouts. I will repeat 3 timeouts. They have 17 seconds left after Duke scores the go ahead points. Roy is pushing Berry to bring the ball up the court and a horrible shot is taken by a sophomore not often in that situation. Why does he not call a timeout? Because he never does in that situation and coach Dean Smith never did either. This is his quote to a local media member. Now, I believe a good coach adapts to his players and situations and is able to make quick decisions after he has surveyed both and what is best for the team. I just think Roy is too stubborn sometimes to try to make these adjustments. His teams will NEVER play a style that is not uptempo and not man to man on defense, not matter what his personnel suggests.

Now, getting to Marlin, I find that he coaches just fine in game situations. The problem I've had with him over the years is his inability to recruit well and retain players. It is obvious, in that regard, he is unwilling to adapt to today's college players and landscape. He had great success at SHSU but that success has been harder to come by here. I've held out hope that things could just fall into place here but we've been the poster child for inconsistency and its maddening.

[Turbine]

Not to mention Duke's tuition is almost $50,000....

If that doesn't create an inflated athletic budget, nothing does.

[zephyr]

Good comments there VO. We agree on the need to recruit more talent at guard. I will say Bryce needs to be more consistent. He missed several attempts near the goal on Saturday at Texas State. Many of his rebounds were gathering his own misses but he just could not finish. In fairness to Bryce, he ha been playing through pain due to a knee injury. As the season nears it's end, the grind may be starting to have an impact.

I noted this in the game thread just now. Free Throws were an issue but I think a glaring stat was the number of offensive rebounds we had (19) and second chance points that they converted to (7). Obviously, a number of these came from Washington himself but it showed an inability to put the ball in the hoop. Period. We shot worse from 2 pt land than we did from 3pt FG, even with all those offensive rebounds.

[ManAboutTown]

Come on now...not ideally???

Just another instance of this "message" board or you for that matter sticking their nose where it really doesnt belong.

If you have as much influence and access you say you have and you honestly think that it is OK for a college player to EVER disagree openly with a coach, I hope your have absolutely no contact with any players at UL. If the player has an issue, take it behind closed doors and curse, scream and do what ever it take to get it out, come up with a plan to fix the issue, then shake hands and move on.

Coach Robe is a highly respected member of the NCAA elite coaches and I would expect he would do just the same.

But from people that know more than I do about what happen, hell maybe even more than you, it seem the f you is not the reason for his suspension.

Maybe if the player would have followed the team and University rules he would not be suspended?

I don't know what the ____ you are reading, or who the ____ you think you're talking to, but you need to calm your ___ down. Nobody ever claimed "influence" over anything. I never claimed to have any knowledge of the situation, whatsoever, as I've stated throughout this entire conversation. I didn't stick my nose anywhere. The only thing I did was say that it was surprising that Jay was the culprit, and Marlin's history tells me there could be more to the suspension than meets the eye. I also found it very unnerving that he made the comments that he made at the presser.

For you people who try to make everything black & white, GFY. Things happen in life, and "fight or flight" is not always the correct or sensible way to address a problem. Sometimes people in authoritative positions without checks and balances (and Marlin is one of those people) can benefit from a subordinate telling them where to stick it. Do not compare Tony to Marlin, as his reputation is beyond reproach as far as I'm concerned.

And for the last damn time, if you're too lazy to read the thread or too short sighted to have an educated rebuttal, Please.

[duggie85]

JEEERRY!....JEEEER, er TURRRBINE!.... TURRRRRBINE!

[mahtoo]

I think your comment about Marlin and players is off base.

His discipline methods in my opinion, have been spot on.

In retrospect, his biggest mistake was not running off Raymone Andrews sooner. If he had, J. J. Thomas may have ended his career at UL.

I also think JJ came back too soon from his injury and his frustrations with not being the same player led to discontent on his part.

[ZoomZoom]

Oh snap!!!!