Jay Hedgemen suspended

[RaginDave]

So here is my question for those that are closer to the program than me. I will preface this by saying that I have coached AAU and Rec basketball for the better part of 20 years. My son currently starts on his JV High School team as a freshman in North Carolina and also has played 3 seasons of AAU ball. So while I am not an expert, I feel that I am extremely knowledgeable about playing and coaching basketball.

I am a fan of Marlin's, do I always like the results, no, but overall we are definitely a better than average basketball team and based on coming off of the Lee years, we could definitely have done worse as a hire.

So my question is this for those of you that are not Marlin fans:

Is it in game coaching or coaching in general that is Marlin's biggest issue. Being around coaching allot the last 20 years, there is a huge difference. Reason I ask, is you can take a guy like Roy Williams at UNC, he is one of the best recruiters in the country and a very good coach at getting teams ready to play (but personally I think he is a terrible in game coach, meaning he blows close games because he is outcoached during the game and does not think quick enough on his feet about rotations, defenses, etc.

My son is playing on a team that has the same issue right now. I have been at a majority of his practices and games. He is fantastic in working plays, defenses and motivating kids, but his in game decisions are questionable. That being said they are 18-5 this year, so he is doing something right. But of the 5 games he has lost he was severely outcoached in the second half of ball games. The opposing coaches made in game changes and we could not overcome those changes. He gets stuck playing zone when teams are killing us from 3 point land or we are going against a team with one superb player and fails to switch to the box and 1 or to man to man with our best defender on that player.

I just want someone's opinion if Marlin gets outcoached during the game or is it a lack of preperation?

[BirdofParadise]

In the real world you rarely have a single component critical to the organizations critical needs. I've seen some really ugly behavior by important subordinates critical to the those type goals. Those people aren't put on the sideline.

Again there seems to be problems with Marlin and players. It's always something. He's had no problems tossing players under the bus taking no responsibility for his part in loses.

Brady can't keep players. Marlin might be Brady lite with less coaching ability.

I think your comment about Marlin and players is off base.

His discipline methods in my opinion, have been spot on.

In retrospect, his biggest mistake was not running off Raymone Andrews sooner. If he had, J. J. Thomas may have ended his career at UL.

[Turbine]

I think your comment about Marlin and players is off base.

His discipline methods in my opinion, have been spot on.

In retrospect, his biggest mistake was not running off Raymone Andrews sooner. If he had, J. J. Thomas may have ended his career at UL.

Ditto.

Marlin's problem at the outset was not straitening the house he inherited sooner than he did.

Andrews may be a great guy today, and Hedgeman's situation may be 100% unrelated but if Marlin had Deja vu, I respect his actions.

[ZoomZoom]

I will preface this by saying that I have coached AAU and Rec basketball for the better part of 20 years.

Little off base but related. Good indication of SOME AAU parents and sports parents in general. Met a gentleman a few years ago, had just been laid off and was experiencing tough times. Was trying to be compassionate and supportive (yes Monkee, that was me). Then he comes out with this gem...

"Oh, we'll be ok, my son is going to be drafted into the NBA. He's going to make lots of money and take care of us."

So, naively I asked him what college did his son play for?

"Oh he doesn't play college ball". Not knowing of anyone in our area that was high school to NBA ready, yeah I went there, asked him what high school he played for.

"Oh he doesn't play high school ball. He plays for Acadian Middle. He gets to play where the Pelicans practice, he's that good."

Ok....high jack over.

There was an element in local AAU ball that for the longest time told kids to shoot for Refineryville, not anywhere else. That was a battle even Lee had to fight.

[RaginDave]

Little off base but related. Good indication of SOME AAU parents and sports parents in general. Met a gentleman a few years ago, had just been laid off and was experiencing tough times. Was trying to be compassionate and supportive (yes Monkee, that was me). Then he comes out with this gem...

"Oh, we'll be ok, my son is going to be drafted into the NBA. He's going to make lots of money and take care of us."

So, naively I asked him what college did his son play for?

"Oh he doesn't play college ball". Not knowing of anyone in our area that was high school to NBA ready, yeah I went there, asked him what high school he played for.

"Oh he doesn't play high school ball. He plays for Acadian Middle. He gets to play where the Pelicans practice, he's that good."

Ok....high jack over.

There was an element in local AAU ball that for the longest time told kids to shoot for Refineryville, not anywhere else. That was a battle even Lee had to fight.

ZZ, I am not sure what you are trying to say here, but my son will not play NBA ball, and has very little chance of playing college ball, he is a very good JV/HS basketball player and probably could play NAIA if he wanted or possibly at best D3 basketball, so I in no way have any illusions of grandeur.

I was just asking what those that disliked Marlin thought his shortcomings were based on being around the team at practices/games.

I used my background as a coach, just to say that I have some basketball knowledge, but I was in no way comparing my kid to any D1 player or myself as anything but a guy who has coached basketball at some level for the better part of 20 years at the lowest possible level.

[ZoomZoom]

ZZ, I am not sure what you are trying to say here, but my son will not play NBA ball, and has very little chance of playing college ball, he is a very good JV/HS basketball player and probably could play NAIA if he wanted or possibly at best D3 basketball, so I in no way have any illusions of grandeur.

I was just asking what those that disliked Marlin thought his shortcomings were based on being around the team at practices/games.

I used my background as a coach, just to say that I have some basketball knowledge, but I was in no way comparing my kid to any D1 player or myself as anything but a guy who has coached basketball at some level for the better part of 20 years at the lowest possible level.

We're on the same page, figured you've seen folks like that and may have enjoyed a chuckle. It took everything in me to keep my mouth shut. Someone had brought up about players being coddled since 4th grade, and that was kind of part of the post. Trying to get the combativeness out this thread. What is done is done.

I was exposed to the second coming of Ronoldo and Mia. Different sport, same illusions.

[RaginDave]

We're on the same page, figured you've seen folks like that and may have enjoyed a chuckle. It took everything in me to keep my mouth shut. Someone had brought up about players being coddled since 4th grade, and that was kind of part of the post.

I was exposed to the second coming of Ronoldo and Mia. Different sport, same disillusions.

Oh absolutely. My son plays for a charter school here and they are doing well and I am friends with a number of the parents, some kids much better than others. But we have 2 parents of a couple of kids on the team that believe that their kid will be playing for UNC or Duke in 3-4 years. and the reality is they will be lucky to be playing for Catawba Community College. And don't even get me started on AAU ball. Everyone of those kids and parents think they will be playing somewhere in the ACC.

I had a funny conversation with my son they other day. (A UL fan also a big Duke fan, he is) He plans on going to UL if he doesn't get into Duke. So I stated to him:

Braeden you are a good basketball player, but not Duke good
Braeden you are a good stundent in HS, but not Duke smart
Braeden your dad makes good money, but not Duke money

Moral of the story.........he will be going to UL.

[fanof71]

So here is my question for those that are closer to the program than me. I will preface this by saying that I have coached AAU and Rec basketball for the better part of 20 years. My son currently starts on his JV High School team as a freshman in North Carolina and also has played 3 seasons of AAU ball. So while I am not an expert, I feel that I am extremely knowledgeable about playing and coaching basketball.

I am a fan of Marlin's, do I always like the results, no, but overall we are definitely a better than average basketball team and based on coming off of the Lee years, we could definitely have done worse as a hire.

So my question is this for those of you that are not Marlin fans:

Is it in game coaching or coaching in general that is Marlin's biggest issue. Being around coaching allot the last 20 years, there is a huge difference. Reason I ask, is you can take a guy like Roy Williams at UNC, he is one of the best recruiters in the country and a very good coach at getting teams ready to play (but personally I think he is a terrible in game coach, meaning he blows close games because he is outcoached during the game and does not think quick enough on his feet about rotations, defenses, etc.

My son is playing on a team that has the same issue right now. I have been at a majority of his practices and games. He is fantastic in working plays, defenses and motivating kids, but his in game decisions are questionable. That being said they are 18-5 this year, so he is doing something right. But of the 5 games he has lost he was severely outcoached in the second half of ball games. The opposing coaches made in game changes and we could not overcome those changes. He gets stuck playing zone when teams are killing us from 3 point land or we are going against a team with one superb player and fails to switch to the box and 1 or to man to man with our best defender on that player.

I just want someone's opinion if Marlin gets outcoached during the game or is it a lack of preperation?

Love the take on Roy...all you have to do is look at the last half of the Duke game to figure that he's not a great bench coach...

Dave asked a good questions, and all I'm hearing is crickets...Marlin did the right thing. Now, if we're talking about making free throws on the road, beech away.

[RaginDave]

Love the take on Roy...all you have to do is look at the last half of the Duke game to figure that he's not a great bench coach...

Dave asked a good questions, and all I'm hearing is crickets...Marlin did the right thing. Now, if we're talking about making free throws on the road, beech away.

Based on talent and ability, Roy should have 5 National Championships, he has 2, but reality is the first was with Matt Doherty's kids.

[Cajunsmike]

I never said he should have no penalty, so you're wrong there. Marlin always, ALWAYS has issues with the players HE recruits. Maybe his HMFIC attitude is the problem. And yes he does strike me as a guy that is always "right". Coincidence that many kids that have come through this program leave without respect for him? Idk. As long as they do what he says, keep their mouths shut and always put the "team" first, they're fine, right?

Like I've said, this is bigger than Jay.

But I'm glad you've learned "all you need to know"

There are some players who have left here with a bad taste in their mouth. Probably too many in fact. Although several of those who left later on realized they made a mistake. On the other hand there are several players who leave here with great respect for Coach Marlin. In Coach's early years here that included guys like Travis Bureau, LaRyan Gary, and Josh Smith. In recent years that includes guys like Elfrid Payton and Bryant Mbamalu. The staff helped Mbamalu acquire an overseas opportunity where he is playing now. On the current squad, guys like Kasey Shepherd and Steven Wronkowski greatly respect their coaches. Like everything else in life, there is good and bad in this situation.