Jay Hedgemen suspended

[ManAboutTown]

I'm not sure we can accurately judge the situation without knowing what went on. Hypothetically speaking if he called into question he superior in front of the whole group... then maybe it is justified. I know I couldn't call my boss a dumbass in front of the whole company and not get some kind of punishment.

That being said because you know this person and you think highly of him you may be a bit skewed to his side. Kinda like when a mom gets a call about her baby boy doing something out of character and she says the "Not my kid!" line only to find out yeah... he messed up.

But hey who knows right? I'm just a fan and don't really have a horse in the race.

I don't want to mislead anyone. I don't claim to 'know' Hedgeman. To provide context, I'm just saying the few times I've interacted with him, he comes off as one of the good ones.

I want to stress, my opinion of this has much more to do with Marlin.

[jumboragncajun]

Not ideally, no.

But I'll say this: a competitive guy like Hedge, playing for a coach like Marlin, who has done nothing but under achieve since he's been here, is a bad mix. Just because someone is the head coach doesn't mean they are right. By his comments in the media, it leads me to believe Hedge challenged Marlin. (And if he did, I can promise you, he spoke up for other players on the team that are also questioning Marlin behind closed doors.) In my opinion, and many others here would say the same, maybe Bob Marlin needs to be challenged.

There is a reason why we can't consistently recruit players here folks. I think this is yet another glimpse into that reason.

I have been saying for years that Marlin's strong disciplined style is not conducive to panzy prima donna players of the AAU era that have been coddled since 4th grade and told how great they are. But the ones that here, made the choice to come here. And under no circumstances would any scenario make it ok to tell your coach to f off. (again your conjecture that's what happened.) If you have been around Marlin for 5 seconds you know that HE is the HMFIC and nobody on the team will run over him. Dumb move by a good kid if that is what happened. The fact that you think its okay for a 19 year old to do that to a coach in front of the team with no repercussion tells me all I need to know. Whether or not you like your coach, or agree with him you can't do that and expect to keep a roster spot. Any coach.

[CajunEXPRESS]

Throw this into the real world...how many of us would have a job if we dropped that bomb on a superior. Or if it was dropped on us by a subordinate? Hell, youth coaches don't tolerate that.

This is all pure conjecture. May be 180 degrees off base. Again, none of our business.

So what has changed?

I do know we added a player mid season, who we all love, but has cut into playing time of players that have been there the whole season. Again, coach's decision, and NO, not saying that is the issue. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know there are only 200 minutes of playing time in a game and the new guy changed the pecking order. We all think Eli was a great add, but the dynamics of the team had to change.

That's Marlin's decision, he's the coach.

In the real world you rarely have a single component critical to the organizations critical needs. I've seen some really ugly behavior by important subordinates critical to the those type goals. Those people aren't put on the sideline.

Again there seems to be problems with Marlin and players. It's always something. He's had no problems tossing players under the bus taking no responsibility for his part in loses.

Brady can't keep players. Marlin might be Brady lite with less coaching ability.

[ManAboutTown]

I have been saying for years that Marlin's strong disciplined style is not conducive to panzy prima donna players of the AAU era that have been coddled since 4th grade and told how great they are. But the ones that here, made the choice to come here. And under no circumstances would any scenario make it ok to tell your coach to f off. (again your conjecture that's what happened.) If you have been around Marlin for 5 seconds you know that HE is the HMFIC and nobody on the team will run over him. Dumb move by a good kid if that is what happened. The fact that you think its okay for a 19 year old to do that to a coach in front of the team with no repercussion tells me all I need to know. Whether or not you like your coach, or agree with him you can't do that and expect to keep a roster spot. Any coach.

I never said he should have no penalty, so you're wrong there. Marlin always, ALWAYS has issues with the players HE recruits. Maybe his HMFIC attitude is the problem. And yes he does strike me as a guy that is always "right". Coincidence that many kids that have come through this program leave without respect for him? Idk. As long as they do what he says, keep their mouths shut and always put the "team" first, they're fine, right?

Like I've said, this is bigger than Jay.

But I'm glad you've learned "all you need to know"

[BirdofParadise]

I realize this will not be a popular take, but if he was suspended for arguing with Marlin in front of the team, I disagree that he deserved it. If he slapped a trainer upside the head, then ok. Again, just guessing, but my money is on he told Marlin to go F himself.

Make the check payable to the RCAF. Or to me. Either way is fine.

[ManAboutTown]

Make the check payable to the RCAF. Or to me. Either way is fine.

Semantics..

[BirdofParadise]

Semantics..

More like a figure of speech. But I hope i made my point.

[ManAboutTown]

More like a figure of speech. But I hope i made my point.

I meant what was "presumably" said.. But your point was made.

[RaginDave]

So here is my question for those that are closer to the program than me. I will preface this by saying that I have coached AAU and Rec basketball for the better part of 20 years. My son currently starts on his JV High School team as a freshman in North Carolina and also has played 3 seasons of AAU ball. So while I am not an expert, I feel that I am extremely knowledgeable about playing and coaching basketball.

I am a fan of Marlin's, do I always like the results, no, but overall we are definitely a better than average basketball team and based on coming off of the Lee years, we could definitely have done worse as a hire.

So my question is this for those of you that are not Marlin fans:

Is it in game coaching or coaching in general that is Marlin's biggest issue. Being around coaching allot the last 20 years, there is a huge difference. Reason I ask, is you can take a guy like Roy Williams at UNC, he is one of the best recruiters in the country and a very good coach at getting teams ready to play (but personally I think he is a terrible in game coach, meaning he blows close games because he is outcoached during the game and does not think quick enough on his feet about rotations, defenses, etc.

My son is playing on a team that has the same issue right now. I have been at a majority of his practices and games. He is fantastic in working plays, defenses and motivating kids, but his in game decisions are questionable. That being said they are 18-5 this year, so he is doing something right. But of the 5 games he has lost he was severely outcoached in the second half of ball games. The opposing coaches made in game changes and we could not overcome those changes. He gets stuck playing zone when teams are killing us from 3 point land or we are going against a team with one superb player and fails to switch to the box and 1 or to man to man with our best defender on that player.

I just want someone's opinion if Marlin gets outcoached during the game or is it a lack of preperation?

[BirdofParadise]

In the real world you rarely have a single component critical to the organizations critical needs. I've seen some really ugly behavior by important subordinates critical to the those type goals. Those people aren't put on the sideline.

Again there seems to be problems with Marlin and players. It's always something. He's had no problems tossing players under the bus taking no responsibility for his part in loses.

Brady can't keep players. Marlin might be Brady lite with less coaching ability.

I think your comment about Marlin and players is off base.

His discipline methods in my opinion, have been spot on.

In retrospect, his biggest mistake was not running off Raymone Andrews sooner. If he had, J. J. Thomas may have ended his career at UL.

[Turbine]

I think your comment about Marlin and players is off base.

His discipline methods in my opinion, have been spot on.

In retrospect, his biggest mistake was not running off Raymone Andrews sooner. If he had, J. J. Thomas may have ended his career at UL.

Ditto.

Marlin's problem at the outset was not straitening the house he inherited sooner than he did.

Andrews may be a great guy today, and Hedgeman's situation may be 100% unrelated but if Marlin had Deja vu, I respect his actions.

[ZoomZoom]

I will preface this by saying that I have coached AAU and Rec basketball for the better part of 20 years.

Little off base but related. Good indication of SOME AAU parents and sports parents in general. Met a gentleman a few years ago, had just been laid off and was experiencing tough times. Was trying to be compassionate and supportive (yes Monkee, that was me). Then he comes out with this gem...

"Oh, we'll be ok, my son is going to be drafted into the NBA. He's going to make lots of money and take care of us."

So, naively I asked him what college did his son play for?

"Oh he doesn't play college ball". Not knowing of anyone in our area that was high school to NBA ready, yeah I went there, asked him what high school he played for.

"Oh he doesn't play high school ball. He plays for Acadian Middle. He gets to play where the Pelicans practice, he's that good."

Ok....high jack over.

There was an element in local AAU ball that for the longest time told kids to shoot for Refineryville, not anywhere else. That was a battle even Lee had to fight.