Jay Hedgemen suspended

[Cajun Monkee]

Actually you said, "By his comments in the media, it leads me to believe Hedge challenged Marlin. (And if he did, I can promise you, he spoke up for other players on the team that are also questioning Marlin behind closed doors.)" {Post #69 in this thread for ease of reference}

How do you know other players on the team are also questioning Marlin behind closed doors?

You also seemed to have known what was going on "behind closed doors" with the football just a few months ago.

What if Marlin said this:

"New team rule. I know some of you are venting to people outside of the team. That was your first and last chance. It happened in the Fall but its not gonna happen now. If it does, you're done for the year."

I'm sure people would back Robe if he dismissed a player (as would I) if he found out somebody was moaning to somebody outside of the team.

This is pure speculation on my part.

HOWEVER, if If I was a coach and found out somebody on a message board was _____ing about lockerroom matters that could only have been disclosed by a player (or worse, a coach), somebody would be gone.

[ManAboutTown]

Actually you said, "By his comments in the media, it leads me to believe Hedge challenged Marlin. (And if he did, I can promise you, he spoke up for other players on the team that are also questioning Marlin behind closed doors.)" {Post #69 in this thread for ease of reference}

How do you know other players on the team are also questioning Marlin behind closed doors?

You also seemed to have known what was going on "behind closed doors" with the football just a few months ago.

What if Marlin said this:

"New team rule. I know some of you are venting to people outside of the team. That was your first and last chance. It happened in the Fall but its not gonna happen now. If it does, you're done for the year."

I'm sure people would back Robe if he dismissed a player (as would I) if he found out somebody was moaning to somebody outside of the team.

This is pure speculation on my part.

HOWEVER, if If I was a coach and found out somebody on a message board was _____ing about lockerroom matters that could only have been disclosed by a player (or worse, a coach), somebody would be gone.

What I "claimed" to know about football this year (I'm assuming you're talking about the lockeroom stufd and the coaches arguing in front of players) was not really a secret and was proven to be 100% correct.

The same issues have gone on with almost every basketball team we've had since Marlin has been here. Again, no secret there.

My comment about him speaking up for other players is what it is. If you've ever participated in sports, you'll know that very rarely will a kid challenge a coach all on his own. 9/10 times, things build, they come to a head, one of the team leaders takes the temp of the team, and then builds up enough courage to speak up. Now, that's not the only reason I believe that played a part..

I will admit, I believe what Jay may have said is more selfish in nature.

[GeauxCajuns]

I know the title of the thread because I started the thread. Now you're going to try to control the content of said thread?

dude, you just tried to control the content by saying we dont need to talk about this, we need to talk about marlin and his recruiting. you are literally all over the place, you need to get it together.

If you're so confident Im make ____ up, why aren't all the basketball people coming here to take up for Marlin?

cajunsmike and jay are the two i trust most with basketball info, and both have said marlin does a great job of disciplining his team. jay also said JH deserved the suspension.

Tell ya what smart guy, instead of arguing with me, why don't you go out and ask some questions for yourself..

im not arguing with you to try and get info, i just want to point out how all over the place you are.

[GeauxCajuns]

I will admit, I believe what Jay may have said is more selfish in nature.

how do you know it was something he said, and it wasnt actions off the court? thats what im trying to find out, and you have yet to answer that question

[GeauxCajuns]

Who cares!!!! We have a coach who has had a mass exodus. Same coach has run off one of the "glue" guys for this team. Same coach is 102-88 in his tenure here with roughly 15 non D1 opponents.

Only common denominator is Bobby Big Fish. Time to cut the line and find a shark not a Marlin.

im not here saying marlin is our savior, but if he came in and set rules for the program, (that obviously were not in place under robert lee) and players didnt like those rules and bolted, and has stood by those rules even to the extent of having to suspend a team favorite, i have absolutely no problem with that.

his results, i agree, should be better.

[ManAboutTown]

dude, you just tried to control the content by saying we dont need to talk about this, we need to talk about marlin and his recruiting. you are literally all over the place, you need to get it together.

cajunsmike and jay are the two i trust most with basketball info, and both have said marlin does a great job of disciplining his team. jay also said JH deserved the suspension.

im not arguing with you to try and get info, i just want to point out how all over the place you are.

Uh no, I told you what my intentions for furthering the topic were. That's not controlling content my man.

Jay Walker is not going to go against Marlin. And look, from a rigid standpoint, you can look at insubordination and say it deserves a suspension. I would say it would have to be a repeat offender to get that kind of sentence, but hey, that's an opinion.

You obviously don't value my opinion, so why would my answer be of any use about the off field question? Ask BOP or Mike.

[Cajun Monkee]

I love the way you set "claimed" off in quotes.

You're the one who said players are questioning Marlin behind closed doors.

How do you know players are questioning Marlin behind closed doors?

[GeauxCajuns]

Uh no, I told you what my intentions for furthering the topic were. That's not controlling content my man.

Jay Walker is not going to go against Marlin. And look, from a rigid standpoint, you can look at insubordination and say it deserves a suspension. I would say it would have to be a repeat offender to get that kind of sentence, but hey, that's an opinion.

You obviously don't value my opinion, so why would my answer be of any use about the off field question? Ask BOP or Mike.

how do you know it was this.

and saying it is appropriate to talk about JH in JH thread is trying to control content?

[ManAboutTown]

how do you know it was this.

and saying it is appropriate to talk about JH in JH thread is trying to control content?

I'm not going to argue with you for the sake of argument. If you're so certain that I'm off base, go ahead and find out how wrong I am, and come back and post about it. If that tickles your fancy..

[California Cajun]

I get lost in all the analysis and dissatisfaction with the team. Historically nothing short of a coaching change seems to address it. Then the new coach shows some promise initially and then bogs down.

Surely someone can explain this dilemma from the bottom up. What exactly will it take to send UL basketball to the next level? I don't think any one person can provide more than a temporary fix. Inquiring minds want to know.

What is the long-term, sensible solution to the basketball program?

[ManAboutTown]

I get lost in all the analysis and dissatisfaction with the team. Historically nothing short of a coaching change seems to address it. Then the new coach shows some promise initially and then bogs down.

Surely someone can explain this dilemma from the bottom up. What exactly will it take to send UL basketball to the next level? I don't think any one person can provide more than a temporary fix. Inquiring minds want to know.

What is the long-term, sensible solution to the basketball program?

Personally? We need to hire a guy that doesn't care about being liked, OR care about liking anyone else around here. Coaches figure out who to make friends with around here, and that ensures them job security that they wouldn't get otherwise. Look at the best basketball coaches we've had.. Butted heads with brass.

[Bigbuf]

You know what bruh, you're entitled to your opinion. There's nothing more maddening than a person like you taking what I said and spinning into something that was never said. You were looking for a reaction, and you got one.

Go ahead and show me where I claimed influence, knowledge of the situation, connection in anyway, where I "grilled" Harris in anyway, or any of the sort. I backed Hale because I believe he had the resume to change our Atheltics forever. And oh, lo and behold, the guys that T-Joe hired to give us advice on our athletic situation were employed by Hale and so far, have echoed every single damn thing we've been saying here (that came straight from Steve himself) for over a year!

Many, MANY people questioned Hud all season long, because the guy SUCKED in 2015! There is no debate. Recruiting issues over the years bit him in the ___, botched QB situation and lost the locker room. These things actually happened, it is not up for debate. But you're not looking for a debate, are you? You got pssd that someone could suggest insubordination being ok. The idea that someone standing up and saying something to Marlin bothers you so much, you decided to launch a personal attack.

Here's the deal cat, I never condoned a mutiny. What I did say is, it's not the worse thing that could have happened in that locker room, and Jay was saying EXACTLY what a big group on this site is saying. But because he's 20 yrs old and a player, he should be banished from the team? What if he was right in what he said? Many here would agree with what he said, in theory..

I served this country, so don't give the BS rant to me pal. I've seen guys get roasted for standing up to authority, and I've seen those same guys be RIGHT.. So no, IDEALLY, you don't want that to happen. But we have a problem at head coach, whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Bring in a new guy, with passion and competitive emotion like Hedgeman, and these things happen.

Now, go back to yelling at the neighborhood kids to get off of your lawn..

Well Bruh...I too served my country in Desert Storm and Cat, I only have you to yell at to get off my lawn.

I don't really have the time to go back and find where you said (paraphrasing here) "that your wallet and ability to spend time up the programs ___ gives you access that others do not have. You have also come on this board and posted many times little snippets of information that you have gleaned for your access and you portray yourself as one of the chosen few on this board who are considered an insider.

Do you consider yourself an insider? Certainly seems like it to me, with that big fat wallet you have and all!

I know what you said and I am not spinning anything into something you never said. There is no denying that you condoned the practice of this player standing up to his coach and telling where to "stick it" because sometime you have to stand up to authority! The guys in the service I have seen get smoked deserved it. Plain and simple. A leader can't have any of his people OPENLY DISRESPECT him. It breaks down the unit and it will cease to operate. Like I have said take it behind closed doors.

Insubordination is NEVER ok. If it happens, there has been a breakdown somewhere along the line. Either side is capable. But the simple fact remains, he broke the known rules of the team and therefore the University and the person that is responsible for his actions has deemed that his punishment is to be suspended. That's the facts. You come along and say, without knowing the facts (of course you have spoken to the kid a few times and think he is a dream which I am sure the kid is a fine young man) and assuming there is problem with the coach because of issue in the past that you probably don't have first hand knowledge of. So no, I didn't take anything you said out of context.

hey news flash...my 8 y/o sons teacher just called me and said he went up to her and let her have it on the way she was holding him responsible for his behavior that he knew was wrong and in the end he told her where to "stick" her silly little conduct sheet and his sad face! She was so taken back by his dominance that she gave him all 100's for the year! So proud of him the way he stood up to authority and the way they always have to keep them accountable!

#stickittotheman!!