Cajuns knocked off top of Sun Belt recruiting hill

[CajunSaint]

Just something to write about at this point. Really doesn't mean much. Hell, we went 4-8 last year with a number one recruiting class...

the only time this means anything is at the end of the season when you cash in with success, a la bama. we'll see in a couple of years how this group measures up.

[Turbine]

the only time this means anything is at the end of the season when you cash in with success, a la bama. we'll see in a couple of years how this group measures up.

Nice

[Duggie35]

I would rather win football games than recruiting rankings.

[Just1More]

I would rather win football games than recruiting rankings.

There is a direct correlation between the two rankings when it comes to the top 40 programs. Outside of the top 40 there are too many compound ranking errors weighing against the team in question, and the associated recruits.

That said... we were proud that we started getting 3 star recruits and that we moved up in recruiting class ranking. It's a little hypocritical to now dismiss our decline. I want us to move up in both respects. And our coaching staff failed in recruiting (taking too many chances that didn't pay off with recruits) and then sucking as coaches with what talent they did have.

I have hope that Hud is going to run a better system. He may realize the penalty of bad character and/or non student material residing in the body of a good athlete just doesn't pay off. And, I think he realizes (by his own admission) that his offensive philosophy is only good enough to beat lesser programs.

As for other teams with higher recruiting rankings (in our peer grouping)... they may or may not be going down the road we did with high risk athletes (great HS accolades - not college material)... and who knows if that will work for them. Many of the chances we took did not pay off.

[CajunEXPRESS]

An evaluation by Athlon suggests that recruiting stars matter at every level. It matters when you play higher ranked classes, and it matters how likely you are to be drafted. Of course that is the macro, and good coaches do more with less, and weak coaches can do less with more.

The study suggest where there is a large differential it matters most. Being Ranked 112 vs 89 not so much. Maybe 112 vs 60 makes a much bigger difference and we are talking over four or five year average rank.

Clearly anyone can say I'd rather win the games than the rank, but looking into the crystal ball it suggests if you win the recruiting battles as evaluated by stars you are more likely to win the games all things being equal.

Final thought, you can get a back like Fenroy, not NFL material but a hell of a college player and that is what I think we will have a lot of in this class.

http://athlonsports.com/college-foot...ankings-matter

[Just1More]

An evaluation by Athlon suggests that recruiting stars matter at every level. It matters when you play higher ranked classes, and it matters how likely you are to be drafted. Of course that is the macro, and good coaches do more with less, and weak coaches can do less with more.

The study suggest where there is a large differential it matters most. Being Ranked 112 vs 89 not so much. Maybe 112 vs 60 makes a much bigger difference and we are talking over four or five year average rank.

Clearly anyone can say I'd rather win the games than the rank, but looking into the crystal ball it suggests if you win the recruiting battles as evaluated by stars you are more likely to win the games all things being equal.

Final thought, you can get a back like Fenroy, not NFL material but a hell of a college player and that is what I think we will have a lot of in this class.

http://athlonsports.com/college-foot...ankings-matter

Nothing stated prior denies Athlon's evaluation. I don't mean to offend you with my next comment... but I don't need a sports reporting group to EVER preach facts or stats to me. They are playing Checkers... first of all. They're trying to correct Crogmagnon thinking among P5 programs. How hard do you think they had to work to do that? Gee... who didn't think that 5 star, 4 star, 3 star and 2 star athletes wouldn't also fall in that order NFL draft-wise? "Two thirds of games can be predicted by recruiting class composite rankings". No ____. I'm more impressed with the third that defied the rule of thumb.

This article is directed at someone in the Big 12 arguing about the SEC school recruiting rankings versus theirs. The facts are banging them over the head. We (UL) aren't even in this article's field of view.

[CajunEXPRESS]

Nothing stated prior denies Athlon's evaluation. I don't mean to offend you with my next comment... but I don't need a sports reporting group to EVER preach facts or stats to me. They are playing Checkers... first of all. They're trying to correct Crogmagnon thinking among P5 programs. How hard do you think they had to work to do that? Gee... who didn't think that 5 star, 4 star, 3 star and 2 star athletes wouldn't also fall in that order NFL draft-wise? "Two thirds of games can be predicted by recruiting class composite rankings". No ____. I'm more impressed with the third that defied the rule of thumb.

This article is directed at someone in the Big 12 arguing about the SEC school recruiting rankings versus theirs. The facts are banging them over the head. We (UL) aren't even in this article's field of view.

I'm never offended by well thought out views. I think I acknowledged that there are great players, Fenroy being my example, that defy the stats. I do think the fact that NFL draft picks drop by your star value is not some game in the sky. It is what it is, it is historic.

I'm not worried that GaSouthern is at whatever, I think someone said 84, and we are at 112 means very much. Coaching matters more in those games. The fact is when you drop below a four star your chance of being NFL quality be it three or one star is not much different. Both are under ten percent. Then there are the players without any reason for or not having a star, they just play football at a high level.

You said you do not need somebody throwing stats at you. Well stats are what back up opinions. If the stats lie, then maybe you should reorganize them to lie for you.

[TechDawg]

These ranking are bull____ for now, lets see how many of the recruits make it to campus in the fall for these teams.

They are bull___ when ULL is not ranked number one, but have their own thread when one inaccruate count shows ULL ranked above Tech.

#Pepperlogic

[Policarp]

Stars ranking system works extremely well for top tier teams. A few misses in recent years (Texas) but overall it does matter. Kidding ourselves to believe otherwise.

I know ncaa shadow hurt, SBC too but I thought overall Hud and 30 Million APC coupled with all new dorms in last couple years would assist to improve the recruiting class a couple notches in national rankings.

[CajunEXPRESS]

I'm sure it hurts. Three fewer players makes a ranking difference and potentially players who contribute difference. I'm assuming we're only offering to those we believe can play at least three seasons, otherwise we'ed go JUCO.

[Just1More]

You said you do not need somebody throwing stats at you. Well stats are what back up opinions. If the stats lie, then maybe you should reorganize them to lie for you.

What I said was I don't need these sports groups tossing their facts/stats at me, then pretending they've discovered something. They tend to toss out the sports fact equivalent of "when it rains, things get wet"... and then write some opinion they think marries their fact. It's crayon play and it's not the least bit informative. I don't claim, ever, that the stat itself lies. I just see far too often someone using a fact or stat (an undeniable truth) in association with pure opinion... then trying to argue their entire position as true because the stat/fact they used is true.

[CajunSaint]

Nice

i figured you would appreciate that one