Intentional Grounding, The 2011 Rogue Coach NCAA Infractions

[HoustonCajun]

We did not fake grades.

We signed players who had fake scores on some tests, and we didn't know we did that until years later.

Not only that, but the NCAA had no idea.

Also, the test organization in question had no idea either.

Where is the NCAA Clearinghouse in all of this? They are holding up Simeon Thomas for a year and a half, yet found nothing odd about test scores for these guys?

[Cajun90]

In my opinion, our administration dropped the ball when they allowed Sanders to continue recruiting activities for more than a year after the NCAA contacted UL to interview Sanders about Ole Miss recruiting violations. Second, if he was "fired" why did the public announce state that he left for personal reasons? Why did it take this long to surface? Where is the transparency? I totally agree with the "lack of institutional control" allegations.

I was in high school when USL got the death penalty for basketball. I was in collage when USL had to forfeit 3 games for having an illegal player. Now this!

When is this sort of stuff going to stop!

As an RCAF member I am extremely disappointed.

Nu

Either you don't understand what the term " lack of institutional control" means or you know something the rest of us do not.

[Cajun90]

UL is the victim not the culprit.

The self imposed sanctions are premature.

No they are not. You may not like it but this is the expectation of the NCAA. Every school does this and you can beat it isn't done blindly. If you seriously wanted our admin to go to the NCAA and say sorry but we think there should be no punishment then you were asking for us to throw in the towel and hand over our athletic dept.

If you disagree with the process then I agree but this isn't the time or place to fight a process that has been in place for decades.

[Reality Check]

The trolls will have a field day with this....or BTW ____ OFF!!

Ouch! You burned me bad!

[Turbine]

No they are not. You may not like it but this is the expectation of the NCAA. Every school does this and you can beat it isn't done blindly. If you seriously wanted our admin to go to the NCAA and say sorry but we think there should be no punishment then you were asking for us to throw in the towel and hand over our athletic dept.

If you disagree with the process then I agree but this isn't the time or place to fight a process that has been in place for decades.

Well if that doesn't say it all, nothing does.

Today schools are openly doing what UL got banned for 4.5 decades ago.

Bowl games aren't even under NCAA control, to vacate one is retarded.

This offense is pre-UL by a secretive pre-trained rogue coach.


There is no way they throw the book at UL for this, no way.

Leave everything on the table, cooperate, ask for leniency, and lets find out with a clean slate where the NCAA mindset sits in 2015.

[Cajun90]

Leave everything on the table, cooperate, ask for leniency, and lets find out with a clean slate where the NCAA mindset sits in 2015.

We will have to agree to disagree.

I suggest everyone go to the NCAA website and review the enforcement procedures and guidelines. It is clear that UL has chosen to go the route of most schools and seek Summary Disposition. As such you are required to submit your own suggestion of penalties. The NCAA even has in their by-laws what the penalties should be based on the Level (1 in this case) and any mitigating circumstances.

It is also clear that schools are held responsible for the actions of individuals. The good thing is that they do recognize the difference between Level 1 infractions committed by individuals and those committed by "the organization". This is a well defined process (not that you have to agree with it) that was updated in 2013. Academic Fraud is listed as a Level 1 offense as is individual unethical or dishonest conduct (violations 3 &4). From what I can tell UL certainly did not give away the house. The penalties we proposed seem to be on the lower end of the NCAA bylaw guidelines.

[Turbine]

We will have to agree to disagree.

I suggest everyone go to the NCAA website and review the enforcement procedures and guidelines. It is clear that UL has chosen to go the route of most schools and seek Summary Disposition. As such you are required to submit your own suggestion of penalties. The NCAA even has in their by-laws what the penalties should be based on the Level (1 in this case) and any mitigating circumstances.

It is also clear that schools are held responsible for the actions of individuals. The good thing is that they do recognize the difference between Level 1 infractions committed by individuals and those committed by "the organization". This is a well defined process (not that you have to agree with it) that was updated in 2013. Academic Fraud is listed as a Level 1 offense as is individual unethical or dishonest conduct (violations 3 &4). From what I can tell UL certainly did not give away the house. The penalties we proposed seem to be on the lower end of the NCAA bylaw guidelines.

Obviously you are in the majority and I am probably alone in my take.

I just feel knee jerk, cookie cutter, canned responses generally serve low long term value.

[basinbear]

We will have to agree to disagree.

I suggest everyone go to the NCAA website and review the enforcement procedures and guidelines. It is clear that UL has chosen to go the route of most schools and seek Summary Disposition. As such you are required to submit your own suggestion of penalties. The NCAA even has in their by-laws what the penalties should be based on the Level (1 in this case) and any mitigating circumstances.

It is also clear that schools are held responsible for the actions of individuals. The good thing is that they do recognize the difference between Level 1 infractions committed by individuals and those committed by "the organization". This is a well defined process (not that you have to agree with it) that was updated in 2013. Academic Fraud is listed as a Level 1 offense as is individual unethical or dishonest conduct (violations 3 &4). From what I can tell UL certainly did not give away the house. The penalties we proposed seem to be on the lower end of the NCAA bylaw guidelines.

As a former NCAA Compliance Officer....you are correct

[CajunEXPRESS]

Five years window is closed for Ole Miss. They're home free. Let the necksters and the TooLamers throw rocks...glass houses always come around. It's funny to watch the ULmost gang, given their basketball program got rocked just a few years ago. Given their financial straits, they susceptible to all kind of "lack of institutional control" situations. Not saying they are doing anything wrong, but PB&J can be a bit pricey.

Lamers closedown their basketball program instead of facing NCAA music.

[CajunEXPRESS]

UL is the victim not the culprit.

The self imposed sanctions are premature.

The NCAA says it's your responsibility to know everything. They're not going to go lighter than we have. You're playing with fire.