As a recently retired educator, I have had more time to impart my limited "knowledge" on the human condition - thanks to 33 years in the greatest profession on earth.
And not that it has been requested nor may it be accepted... But here goes, anyway...
Man and Rebel could benefit from a little of what we referred to in education as "time out." It's a tried and true method for "those" at that point of "no acceptance." (Substitute your own noun/adjective for "those.")
Both Man and Rebel make good points at times. Neither will ever see the other's points. Please give each other a rest.