Im good with the discussion, and I'm ready for some of the improvements mentioned. I don't think the "L" is a good idea. Bigger programs that are already established nationally can tinker with all kinds of things. The tinkering isn't what got them big. When we tinker too much, it makes us look desperate and silly. I've read all of your arguments for the "L" and I just don't want to go that direction. To me, we'll get laughed at. People will put the hand symbol for "L" on their forehead and mock us as "Losers". I just don't like it. the ways we display "UL" and "Louisiana" work fine. Our problem is in getting outsiders to use it on scoreboards and journalistic work. Do you think they'll put an "L" for us? I sure hope not. The "L" doesn't help identify us. I don't even like what Louisville is doing with it. It looks like crap. It's their ego trying to be like the "O" of Oregon. It looks like pure crap if you ask me, and it doesn't help them one bit. To me, I think we just need to delete some dumb things, including the yellow flames. Most of our other stuff needs to stay in place while we're in this current athletic up time. We've got some identity going that needs to stay in place. Getting rid of Cayenne and yellow flames (and yellow anywhere else) are enough for me right now.