Cajuns @ Incarnate Word

[CajunRebel]

If your resume consist of anything other then NCAA or NIT post season appearances, then you are selling mediocrity.

JMO

How many CIT banners are hanging in the Cajundome or the coaches offices?

I've never seen any.

[CajunT]

And I think it's pretty simple minded to assume this tournament is only worth extra practice days to this team and program.

These are athletes - they want to compete and having one more goal to go after this season could be a big deal to them and the coaching staff. I also agree with Turbine about it being a potential resume builder and recruiting tool. Additionally - there are people here that enjoy watching and listening to our team play. So I personally am very happy I have at least one more game to listen to.

Doc, we can agree to disagree on this this discussion. But to say someone is simple minded because they don't agree with your opinion is nonsense at best. Let your arguments stand the test and let's see how it plays out. I'm not a person that comes to Ragin Pagin to complain after every loss of a game on a daily basis; I didn't complain about baseball losing yesterday or the basketball team losing Sunday or the WBB team losing Saturday. I simply don't live daily on wins or losses, but I certainly don't believe in sugarcoating things so that others can sleep better at night.

So, tell me what athletes would not want to play another game after the way their last game ended? Of course they would like the opportunity to redeem themselves and show that they are better than what they showed in New Orleans. But that is not a reason to play the game. Does football get to play another game if they don't qualify for a bowl? How about softball and baseball, do they get to play in a regional if they don't qualify? UL didn't get an NCAA or NIT invitation because we didn't earn it. The CIT is simply a tournament that is willing to take programs that didn't qualify for either. There were a number of programs that turned them down because they have higher goals and see no value in it. So they are all simple minded as well.

You stated it's a potential resume or recruiting tool. That is your opinion, but I don't see a long list of potential quality prospects interested in playing for this program over others that have made more than one NCAA or NIT tournament in recent years. And playing in the CIT is not going to change it. Most high school athletes don't even know or care about the CIT.

You also stated there are fans that enjoy watching or listening to our team play. I don't doubt that, but is that another reason to play a game in the CIT? And that may be the case this time around, but it wasn't the case when the Cajuns played Rice the last time in the CIT. Only 1,200 tickets were sold, so apparently there aren't as many interested in watching it as you suggested.
I concede that there is value in the extra practices to help the team next season. But there is just as much a risk in hurting your program's image losing another game to a SLC program and new transition program. That can, or will only hurt your program in recruiting.

There are a number of coaches and programs that didn't see the value in playing in the CIT. They have higher goals for their programs. So you can add me to that group of coaches and programs, but I'm willing to bet that they have more knowledge about the value of playing in the CIT then those calling others simple minded on this forum.

[Turbine]

T you make valid points.

Except one.

When you are sitting home unpacking your locker there is no such thing as "higher goals."

Play Ball

[Boomer]

By all means let's not pull an LTU R.

Oh, wait. Seems it really didn't hurt them. They keel hulled us last year.

---I think there was a year of hell that they went through after turning the Bowl down and if you think that helped recruiting you are crazy!!! It was used against them by all!!!

[duggie85]

Doc, we can agree to disagree on this this discussion. But to say someone is simple minded because they don't agree with your opinion is nonsense at best. Let your arguments stand the test and let's see how it plays out. I'm not a person that comes to Ragin Pagin to complain after every loss of a game on a daily basis; I didn't complain about baseball losing yesterday or the basketball team losing Sunday or the WBB team losing Saturday. I simply don't live daily on wins or losses, but I certainly don't believe in sugarcoating things so that others can sleep better at night.

So, tell me what athletes would not want to play another game after the way their last game ended? Of course they would like the opportunity to redeem themselves and show that they are better than what they showed in New Orleans. But that is not a reason to play the game. Does football get to play another game if they don't qualify for a bowl? How about softball and baseball, do they get to play in a regional if they don't qualify? UL didn't get an NCAA or NIT invitation because we didn't earn it. The CIT is simply a tournament that is willing to take programs that didn't qualify for either. There were a number of programs that turned them down because they have higher goals and see no value in it. So they are all simple minded as well.

You stated it's a potential resume or recruiting tool. That is your opinion, but I don't see a long list of potential quality prospects interested in playing for this program over others that have made more than one NCAA or NIT tournament in recent years. And playing in the CIT is not going to change it. Most high school athletes don't even know or care about the CIT.

You also stated there are fans that enjoy watching or listening to our team play. I don't doubt that, but is that another reason to play a game in the CIT? And that may be the case this time around, but it wasn't the case when the Cajuns played Rice the last time in the CIT. Only 1,200 tickets were sold, so apparently there aren't as many interested in watching it as you suggested.
I concede that there is value in the extra practices to help the team next season. But there is just as much a risk in hurting your program's image losing another game to a SLC program and new transition program. That can, or will only hurt your program in recruiting.

There are a number of coaches and programs that didn't see the value in playing in the CIT. They have higher goals for their programs. So you can add me to that group of coaches and programs, but I'm willing to bet that they have more knowledge about the value of playing in the CIT then those calling others simple minded on this forum.

T,

You make some valid points. My only rebuttal would be the following:

1) I agree it will not help recruiting to play in this tournament, however, playing in this tournament cannot hurt the program recruiting wise. I do not think any potential recruit can look at this as a negative.

2) While I fully understand we lost to 3 SLC schools this year (which I 100% agree is not acceptable), playing the game and losing it is different than being nervous to even lace our shoes up. If we're now scared of losing to an SLC team, we've got bigger problems than playing in this tournament.

[DocCajun]

Doc, we can agree to disagree on this this discussion. But to say someone is simple minded because they don't agree with your opinion is nonsense at best. Let your arguments stand the test and let's see how it plays out. I'm not a person that comes to Ragin Pagin to complain after every loss of a game on a daily basis; I didn't complain about baseball losing yesterday or the basketball team losing Sunday or the WBB team losing Saturday. I simply don't live daily on wins or losses, but I certainly don't believe in sugarcoating things so that others can sleep better at night.

So, tell me what athletes would not want to play another game after the way their last game ended? Of course they would like the opportunity to redeem themselves and show that they are better than what they showed in New Orleans. But that is not a reason to play the game. Does football get to play another game if they don't qualify for a bowl? How about softball and baseball, do they get to play in a regional if they don't qualify? UL didn't get an NCAA or NIT invitation because we didn't earn it. The CIT is simply a tournament that is willing to take programs that didn't qualify for either. There were a number of programs that turned them down because they have higher goals and see no value in it. So they are all simple minded as well.

You stated it's a potential resume or recruiting tool. That is your opinion, but I don't see a long list of potential quality prospects interested in playing for this program over others that have made more than one NCAA or NIT tournament in recent years. And playing in the CIT is not going to change it. Most high school athletes don't even know or care about the CIT.

You also stated there are fans that enjoy watching or listening to our team play. I don't doubt that, but is that another reason to play a game in the CIT? And that may be the case this time around, but it wasn't the case when the Cajuns played Rice the last time in the CIT. Only 1,200 tickets were sold, so apparently there aren't as many interested in watching it as you suggested.
I concede that there is value in the extra practices to help the team next season. But there is just as much a risk in hurting your program's image losing another game to a SLC program and new transition program. That can, or will only hurt your program in recruiting.

There are a number of coaches and programs that didn't see the value in playing in the CIT. They have higher goals for their programs. So you can add me to that group of coaches and programs, but I'm willing to bet that they have more knowledge about the value of playing in the CIT then those calling others simple minded on this forum.

Firstly, you are the one who started using "simple minded". I simply played on your own choice of words. But FWIW, i'm not saying YOU are simple minded, just that I think your conclusion about the CIT was not based on factors that I think are important to consider.

I haven't heard anyone claim this was some sort of major accomplishment. Maybe I missed a post or two. I think most of us can agree this is a far cry from the NCAA or NIT. But to NOT play cuz you're worried about losing??? That is NOT a way to approach sports my friend. You play to WIN, not to not lose.

So I think you're right - we have to agree to disagree on this issue. That is fine.

And no one is really talking about this but who's to say we can't go deep into or even win this tournament?

[CajunT]

T,

You make some valid points. My only rebuttal would be the following:

1) I agree it will not help recruiting to play in this tournament, however, playing in this tournament cannot hurt the program recruiting wise. I do not think any potential recruit can look at this as a negative.

2) While I fully understand we lost to 3 SLC schools this year (which I 100% agree is not acceptable), playing the game and losing it is different than being nervous to even lace our shoes up. If we're now scared of losing to an SLC team, we've got bigger problems than playing in this tournament.

Appreciate your post Duggie85, and I hope the Cajun's win for fans like you who have stuck with them through the disappointments at times. I stated my opinion, so its time to move on.

[CajunT]

Firstly, you are the one who started using "simple minded". I simply played on your own choice of words. But FWIW, i'm not saying YOU are simple minded, just that I think your conclusion about the CIT was not based on factors that I think are important to consider.

I haven't heard anyone claim this was some sort of major accomplishment. Maybe I missed a post or two. I think most of us can agree this is a far cry from the NCAA or NIT. But to NOT play cuz you're worried about losing??? That is NOT a way to approach sports my friend. You play to WIN, not to not lose.

So I think you're right - we have to agree to disagree on this issue. That is fine.

And no one is really talking about this but who's to say we can't go deep into or even win this tournament?

Doc, you can find the use of the term simple minded in post #70 by EpicCajun and again from you in post #80. I never used the term. Thanks

[DocCajun]

Post #74 by CajunT, which is the post I replied to

[CajunT]

Post #74 by CajunT, which is the post I replied to

You are correct, I shouldn't have used in reply to EpicCajun.