Saints: Jimmy Graham

[cajunhawk]

Rivers also doesn't have one of the est running backs ever behind him while there.

He did Tomlinson was in San Diego until 2010...and threw for more yards than Brees did....still.

[cajunhawk]

I agree. He created an offense for Drew Brees to run and they have had success. This offense cannot run without Brees. He goes down, the offense collapses.

Actually that hasn't been proven yet. The offense has collapsed with him under center so...don't really know what you are trying to say.

[campo118]

Yes, as a generic definition, just as a defense would be a system.

But his comment was about the Saints success as a product of the "system", not Brees.

I define system quarterbacks as those who you can "plug and play" into the offense and the offense runs. A quarterback is perceived to be successful but not extraordinarily talented. I would define extraordinarily as elite, like Brees, Manning and Brady. Those QB's that can win the game on their arm or their leadership.

Payton Manning is the system… He brought HIS system, and intelligence with him to Denver. He runs that offense. Neither Brady, nor Brees can take claim to that. I love Brees more than any other QB in the league, and am a die hard Saints fan. Even when Brees is gone, I'll still hold him higher in my heart than probably any other player who has ever put on the black and gold. It still doesn't change the fact that he thrived because of Sean Peyton's system. Crazy said it best… the two thrive together, and Peyton is smart enough to find another accurate, smart passer (I.E. Glennon) who could fill the shoes of Brees when he leaves…

[Cajunjeb]

You forgot Wilson and Rogers...they have both won games with their arms and leadership. More than Brees did last year anyway.

Didn't Hasselbeck lead Seattle to the Super Bowl with the same offense Wilson runs? When Rodgers went down a few years ago, Flynn went in and played well for the remainder of the season.

Like I said before, you truly get to see Wilson's talent when the play breaks down.

[campo118]

Uh no… Hasselbeck never too the Seahawks to the Super Bowl… C'mon man…

[cajun_lannister]

is that with Wilson getting his 17- 18 mill a year ?

[duggie85]

He did Tomlinson was in San Diego until 2010...and threw for more yards than Brees did....still.

In Rivers first 4000 season, LT had 1100 yds.

The final three seasons LT was there and Rivers had 4000 yds, LT went for 700, 900 and 280. Hardly played with LT while in his prime.

Edit: sorry, those last 2 stats for Lt were for NYJ

[cajun_lannister]

Tarvaris Jackson ?

[cajunhawk]

Uh no… Hasselbeck never too the Seahawks to the Super Bowl… C'mon man…

He did actually...2006...one of the worst officiated Super Bowls of all time.

[cajunhawk]

is that with Wilson getting his 17- 18 mill a year ?

Depends on what the cap is in 2016.