Lee must Go !

[Parrott]

Other college programs didn't stink it up with low multi-year APR scores that subjected the basketball team to occasion three historical penalties.

Wait, Centenary's men's basketball team and Chattanooga's football team did and now are banned from the postseason this season. Another subpar year and their entire athletic program faces a postseason ban.

The Cajuns will be fine once the low score drops off the multi-year average after this season.

igeaux.mobi

[LongTimeCajun]

_ Other college programs didn't stink it up with low multi-year APR scores that subjected the basketball team to occasion three historical penalties.

Wait, Centenary's men's basketball team and Chattanooga's football team did and now are banned from the postseason this season. Another subpar year and their entire athletic program faces a postseason ban.

The Cajuns will be fine once the low score drops off the multi-year average after this season.

igeaux.mobi _

Let's see, we had thousands of people in the dome when Orien Greene was there (when we "cheated") and made the NCAA tournament...
At the moment we have 142 people in the dome a night and have a realistic chance of going 5-25 this season.

I'm down with cheating at this point if it puts as##s in the seats, but that just might be me. Let's go out and buy another player, this losing ______ is getting old.


Oh I forgot, APR

[Boomer]

_ Other college programs didn't stink it up with low multi-year APR scores that subjected the basketball team to occasion three historical penalties.

Wait, Centenary's men's basketball team and Chattanooga's football team did and now are banned from the postseason this season. Another subpar year and their entire athletic program faces a postseason ban.

The Cajuns will be fine once the low score drops off the multi-year average after this season.

igeaux.mobi _

Are you saying that if Lee is fired the kids will stop going to class or what???I have never heard of having APR status based upon the retention of a coach---always thought it applied to the players only!!!! Somebody please clarify!!!!!

[NOCajun]

_ Are you saying that if Lee is fired the kids will stop going to class or what???I have never heard of having APR status based upon the retention of a coach---always thought it applied to the players only!!!! Somebody please clarify!!!!! _

I think it has something to do with the coach being held responsible for the kids maintaining their grades. I know that may sound a bit ridiculous, but I think that's how the NCAA sees it, since we're talking about players on scholarship. To me, it's the player's responsibility, PERIOD. He fails a class, he loses his scholly and he's off the team. Then the scholly's available for someone else.

[LSUConnMan]

The APR's a stupid system. What do all these 4 scenarios have in common?

a) a one year player who leaves for a $30 mil contract
b) a player who transfers and then finishes his degree elsewhere
c) a player who changes his major and supercedes the number of credits needed for graduation, but fails to meet degree requirements
d) a player who graduates in 6 years and a day


....they all have the same impact on a school's APR as failing out.

[Parrott]

APR is a bad system. Too black and white.

According to studies by the NCAA, APR scores general drop after a head coaching change, likely due to the fact that some players don't want to start over with a new coach. Bringing back a coach doesn't guarantee anything - very few guarantees in life anymore - but it does minimize the likelihood of players leaving.

Like I said in the spring, this is a bad situation complicated by a bad system in place.

Are you saying that if Lee is fired the kids will stop going to class or what???I have never heard of having APR status based upon the retention of a coach---always thought it applied to the players only!!!! Somebody please clarify!!!!!

igeaux.mobi

[Hammer58]

_ APR is a bad system. Too black and white.

According to studies by the NCAA, APR scores general drop after a head coaching change, likely due to the fact that some players don't want to start over with a new coach. Bringing back a coach doesn't guarantee anything - very few guarantees in life anymore - but it does minimize the likelihood of players leaving.

Like I said in the spring, this is a bad situation complicated by a bad system in place.




igeaux.mobi _

and that bad system is made worse by the rediculous "APR exemptions" and the formula used to determine who is exempt.

[Just1More]

I understand APR is a rolling average sort of thing and at the end of this basketball season (or sometime this year), we'll be in a much better situation. Does that mean that even if a couple of players leave as a result of Lee being let go, we are not going to return immediately into a borderline APR struggle?

Is every athlete equally contributing to the APR number? It seems like football would have the largest impact due to the number of athletes. Did the two thiefs that got let go from the football team last year hit our APR number? Was the hit equal to two basketball players leaving?

On a different subject, I'm a little worried about UL's new entrance requirements. Isn't this going to dramatically impact our recruiting? I can see where it will likely forever keep us out of APR trouble, but isn't it going to make it extremely difficult to recruit numerous athletes?

Something must be brewing in Dr. Savoie's mind about how this finally plays out... raise selective admissions criteria, forced reductions in graduate programs/research money - regional mission, athletic budget shrinking (assuming from the drop in students), and everyone else we compete with not facing the same challenges (save ULM)... so far. Add to that fact that we are in the middle of the conference pack in major men's sports and we are only eligible in most sports for postseason play via conference championships or perhaps second place finishes in some cases.

Doesn't it seem like we are getting pressed from every angle with very little relief in sight? Last year there was talk of a reconstitution of the Southland with the non LSU, non historical black public institutions... is something in the works to practically force this upon us? Just asking...

[Cajunsmike]

_ I understand APR is a rolling average sort of thing and at the end of this basketball season (or sometime this year), we'll be in a much better situation. Does that mean that even if a couple of players leave as a result of Lee being let go, we are not going to return immediately into a borderline APR struggle?

Is every athlete equally contributing to the APR number? It seems like football would have the largest impact due to the number of athletes. Did the two thiefs that got let go from the football team last year hit our APR number? Was the hit equal to two basketball players leaving?

On a different subject, I'm a little worried about UL's new entrance requirements. Isn't this going to dramatically impact our recruiting? I can see where it will likely forever keep us out of APR trouble, but isn't it going to make it extremely difficult to recruit numerous athletes?

Something must be brewing in Dr. Savoie's mind about how this finally plays out... raise selective admissions criteria, forced reductions in graduate programs/research money - regional mission, athletic budget shrinking (assuming from the drop in students), and everyone else we compete with not facing the same challenges (save ULM)... so far. Add to that fact that we are in the middle of the conference pack in major men's sports and we are only eligible in most sports for postseason play via conference championships or perhaps second place finishes in some cases.

Doesn't it seem like we are getting pressed from every angle with very little relief in sight? Last year there was talk of a reconstitution of the Southland with the non LSU, non historical black public institutions... is something in the works to practically force this upon us? Just asking... _

The SLC talk is foolish and there is nothing to it. The APR issue goes away after this season as it involves four year averages. We have done well the last three years and I presume we did OK in the fall semester as all the kids on the team are still playing. The APR won't be a factor as to who our coach is in 2010-2011.

[rhineaux]

_ The APR's a stupid system. What do all these 4 scenarios have in common?

a) a one year player who leaves for a $30 mil contract
b) a player who transfers and then finishes his degree elsewhere
c) a player who changes his major and supercedes the number of credits needed for graduation, but fails to meet degree requirements
d) a player who graduates in 6 years and a day


....they all have the same impact on a school's APR as failing out. _

Actually, I'm almost 100% positive that if a player leaves early and gets drafted, it does not count towards APR. See Tirus Wade in 2005. I also think that it only applies to the NBA...if he gets drafted in Greece, no dice.

As for RL, I imagine that if his contract were up last year, he would not have been retained. Not retaining is different than firing and might have been handled differently by the players. That was not the case, so we'll never know. As far as I remember, all they have to do is complete this academic year without anyone leaving, and the program would be in the clear. Players could leave right now, prior to the Spring starting, so you can't fire him before then. Or, you could fire him in January, a few games into the SBC schedule, or even after the final game, and they could get ____ed and quit school at either of those times. If they left now, then I don't see other teams wanting a player who quit on their team mid-season just because they didn't get their way. If they left after the season, without finishing the semester, I would imagine that would hurt their transcripts and reduce the opportunities out there. And not to mention, most of these guys are Juniors, and with the exception of maybe only Bureau and Gradnigo, do not have the extra year available to sit out. So transferring may not be an option.

As I see it, if RL isn't retained, or if he is fired early, it shouldn't really matter either way.