Lee must Go !

[Cajun90]

Josh you did a fine job of explaining APR earlier this year, especially with the info you had you did a fine job.

The missing link was how a coach (any coach) could magically keep a kid or kids at UL and conversely how an administration could exercise a lack of institutional control so as to let a (unnamed) student or group of students hold a schools overall athletic program hostage.

All the administration would have had to do to retain the students was show them how few of players who left the program (before last year) had ever bounced an NCAA ball again. No one would have left.

Speculation on everyone's part at best. What else should we expect from an internet chat room.

Turbine it is a good bet that we would have lost players. That is just normal. Anytime a coach leaves you always tend to lose some players. My point is that saying no one would have left is highly speculative because the statistics prove otherwise. On the other hand I don't think we would have seen a mass exodus either. If I remember correctly though it would not have taken much to put us over the cliff.

I also thought Josh did a great job on the APR issues. It was explained in detail and not everyone has to agree with retaining the coach but at least we all know how the APR game is played.

I would like to see Josh do some follow ups. One - Will the current volleyball issues negatively impact our APR to any significant extent? What is the real impact of schools like Troy & ULM getting a free pass on the APR?

[Turbine]

_ Speculation on everyone's part at best. What else should we expect from an internet chat room.

Turbine it is a good bet that we would have lost players. That is just normal. Anytime a coach leaves you always tend to lose some players. My point is that saying no one would have left is highly speculative because the statistics prove otherwise. On the other hand I don't think we would have seen a mass exodus either. If I remember correctly though it would not have taken much to put us over the cliff.

Fair enough, my thinking was with so many finishing their junior year, time was the key factor. With the proper coaching hire they could easily have been talked into staying. Who in their right mind would leave to sit out a year to perhaps play a single year?

Well Jeremy Barr, Emmanuel Adeife, Phillip Jones, David Tanner, Sutton Yanosky did leave, so I don't know. Of course most weren't on scholarship and some never even hit the court.

If you aren't going to go public with what athlete(s) was holding the school hostage then it shouldn't even be brought up as an excuse for retaining the coach.

[Parrott]

In response to KACajun:

First, the administration, coaches, players and fans were all given a voice in those stories. My job is to present the facts and allow the public to make up their own mind.

No, keeping Lee hasn't "saved" the athletic program from probation. But the academic structure put in place in recent years has resulted in improved APR scores for men's basketball, and his departure might have resulted in player transfers, which influence APR scores.

The basketball team needed to meet APR standards in both 2008-09 and 2009-10 to move out of the historical-penalty structure.

If Lee and LeBato had been let go, there would have been at least two underclassmen who would have transferred in addition to Barr. I know of one that was good as gone. Losing more than two guys would have resulted in an APR score below 925 and "occasion three" penalties, which would have included a ban from postseason play.

Don't think the NCAA means business? The Centenary men's basketball team and Chattanooga's football team were served with "occasion three" penalties. That means no postseason this year.

If it happens again this year all of athletic teams at Centenary and Chattanooga would face a postseason ban.

[Turbine]

I intended to go to chat today Josh, my loss.

[geo_cajun]

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Don't think the NCAA means business? The Centenary men's basketball team and Chattanooga's football team were served with "occasion three" penalties. That means no postseason this year.

If it happens again this year all of athletic teams at Centenary and Chattanooga would face a postseason ban. _

If those were major BCS type schools, no way NCAA would enforce it.

[VObserver]

_ If those were major BCS type schools, no way NCAA would enforce it. _

No major BCS type school will ever HAVE such a problem; they'll find a way to get themselves declared 'resource limited' and get exempt from the APR penalties. Or, they'd just pay off profs to alter grades... oh wait! one already did that!

[Turbine]

Neither is great but I have a point. What's worse?

A) Allowing a student athlete to hold an entire Athletic Department hostage.

B) Getting the players input on what kind of coach they like to play for, what kind of offense are they most comfortable in . .


igeaux.mobi

[Cajun90]

Neither is great but I have a point. What's worse?

A) Allowing a student athlete to hold an entire Athletic Department hostage.

B) Getting the players input on what kind of coach they like to play for, what kind of offense are they most comfortable in . .


igeaux.mobi

How about c) Basing your paycheck off a bunch of 18-21 year olds.

[CajunCanaille]

I am constantly reading people's post that say "we must fire Lee after this performance," "the administration must not care because Lee is still our coach," "I don't understand why lee hasn't been fired," etc., etc. Am I wrongly informed that Lee's status as HC does affect our APR. I'm pretty sure we can't fire him. I have been posting this after every "fire Lee now" post I see yet the same people keep suggesting it. I think we just need to and have to suffer through the season. There are 2 scholarships on the line. Hold off your judgments on the administration's commitment to win until they are able to make a hire after the season. I will be sayin the same thing if we fail to make an impressive hire.

If I am wrong about the APR thing please let me know so I can start calling for Lee's head too.

[Frenchie35]

I for one don't understand this APR stuff. It sounds like we are being held hostage. Please someone enlighten me in layman terms. Other coaches are beling fired in midseason and I don't hear anything about APR.......