Attendence?

[wcd35]

_ The beer concession in the upper deck. Abita Amber. So good. Same price as the other flavors. They also had Michelob Amber Bock and Michelob Ultra. _

Going to definitely have to make a journey to the upper deck in a couple of weeks. Enough of the Buds

[Bunch24]

_ Exactly.... thats what the Sadvertiser people dont understand.... they are not going to crack the Advocate... as a Saints fan if the Times Pic delivered here I would Not be enticed into buying the Sadvertiser to get Saints News........... _

OK, but then where does it end? We've established the Advocate covers LSU, the Times-Pic covers Saints/Hornets.

Let's continue. Houston covers the Astros. ESPN covers all of the MLB, NBA, NFL and NASCAR better. So there goes all national coverage.

Locally, let's see. Meridional covers Vermilion Parish, so there goes those high schools. Daily World covers St. Landry Parish, so bye-bye Opelousas and Port Barre coverage. Crowley Post Signal covers Acadia Parish. Daily Iberian covers Iberia Parish and St. Mary.

So that leaves St. Martin Parish (assuming Daily Advertiser can beat out Teche News) and Lafayette Parish high schools, along with UL.

Congratulations, you've just run yourself out of business.

Seriously, some of the people that think the Advertiser should never cover LSU or acknowledge LSU better not run their own businesses. Because they'd be bankrupt in a year.

Look, I have NO LOVE for LSU. I was one of those guys walking the UL campus chastising people for wearing LSU ____. I was one of those guys trying to organize the students to attend more basketball and football games and have a bigger presences in the student sections.

But I'm also not an idiot. Not EVERYBODY who lives in Lafayette Parish or the Advertiser circulation area are UL fans. Not EVERYBODY who lives in Lafayette Parish gives two ____s about Acadiana High or Lafayette High. Some people wake up every morning and they grab the Advertiser and they read LSU stories. And they read Saints stories. And they read the MLB boxscores. And they check the NHL standings. And they read about tennis.

Seriously, it's OK to live your life in a glass bubble and think UL is the only thing that matters, but eventually you'll (just like I did) face the reality that there's a lot more happening in this area.

[Trigger74]

That sucks. We were at our function in Alexandria, Va watching part on ESPN360.

We will never be big time at that rate. Why even worry about a bowl game, no one will go.

[Parrott]

OK, but then where does it end? We've established the Advocate covers LSU, the Times-Pic covers Saints/Hornets.

Let's continue. Houston covers the Astros. ESPN covers all of the MLB, NBA, NFL and NASCAR better. So there goes all national coverage.

Locally, let's see. Meridional covers Vermilion Parish, so there goes those high schools. Daily World covers St. Landry Parish, so bye-bye Opelousas and Port Barre coverage. Crowley Post Signal covers Acadia Parish. Daily Iberian covers Iberia Parish and St. Mary.

So that leaves St. Martin Parish (assuming Daily Advertiser can beat out Teche News) and Lafayette Parish high schools, along with UL.

Congratulations, you've just run yourself out of business.

Seriously, some of the people that think the Advertiser should never cover LSU or acknowledge LSU better not run their own businesses. Because they'd be bankrupt in a year.

Look, I have NO LOVE for LSU. I was one of those guys walking the UL campus chastising people for wearing LSU ____. I was one of those guys trying to organize the students to attend more basketball and football games and have a bigger presences in the student sections.

But I'm also not an idiot. Not EVERYBODY who lives in Lafayette Parish or the Advertiser circulation area are UL fans. Not EVERYBODY who lives in Lafayette Parish gives two ____s about Acadiana High or Lafayette High. Some people wake up every morning and they grab the Advertiser and they read LSU stories. And they read Saints stories. And they read the MLB boxscores. And they check the NHL standings. And they read about tennis.

Seriously, it's OK to live your life in a glass bubble and think UL is the only thing that matters, but eventually you'll (just like I did) face the reality that there's a lot more happening in this area.

Have we met? Maybe we can be friends?

[HoustonCajun]

Seriously, some of the people that think the Advertiser should never cover LSU or acknowledge LSU better not run their own businesses. Because they'd be bankrupt in a year.

That has never been in question. I don't care if they run LSU information, in fact they need to run LSU info for their readers.

My problem is UL should be first and foremost on Lafayette's paper and have a section for UL with the lead daily and a photo to get fans interest. THEN, run anything you want on LSU.

The problem now is LSU is first, second and sometimes third. Then, a UL article, then something on the SEC or high school, THEN another UL article. Of course, I'm talking about the internet as I don't receive the paper here in Houston.

If we want the community to support its local university, the local paper needs to make that university a priority, just as the Advocate does for LSU in Baton Rouge. Still cover LSU in Lafayette, just not above UL. Most LSU people get their sports news on LSU from the Advocate anyway.

[Bunch24]

_ Seriously, some of the people that think the Advertiser should never cover LSU or acknowledge LSU better not run their own businesses. Because they'd be bankrupt in a year.

That has never been in question. I don't care if they run LSU information, in fact they need to run LSU info for their readers.

My problem is UL should be first and foremost on Lafayette's paper and have a section for UL with the lead daily and a photo to get fans interest. THEN, run anything you want on LSU.

The problem now is LSU is first, second and sometimes third. Then, a UL article, then something on the SEC or high school, THEN another UL article. Of course, I'm talking about the internet as I don't receive the paper here in Houston.

If we want the community to support its local university, the local paper needs to make that university a priority, just as the Advocate does for LSU in Baton Rouge. Still cover LSU in Lafayette, just not above UL. Most LSU people get their sports news on LSU from the Advocate anyway. _

Believe me, the local university is a priority. If it wasn't a priority, we'd still be referring to it as the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, like every other media outlet does in this country. (By the way, that's a continuing struggle with the rest of the Louisiana papers in the Gannett chain) If it wasn't a priority, we wouldn't have "Wear Red" days on Fridays. If it wasn't a priority, we wouldn't cover "minor sports" such as softball. (I know it's nationally ranked, but go compare our softball coverage to LSU's softball coverage in the Advocate. Not. Even. Close.)

In reality, this LSU vs. UL argument only holds water twice or three times a year, and it happens to be on weekends when the ENTIRE nation has its eyes affixed to Baton Rouge. Ignoring the nation's No. 1 team, Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback playing at the nation's No. 4 team when it's only 45 miles away would be complete and udder stupidity. The other 11 weeks of the season, UL gets the lion's share of attention in TDA. And it's not even close, and anyone who wants to challenge that is welcome to come to our building and go day-by-day and count it up. Believe me, we've done it before.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I believe our coverage of UL is second-to-none in the Sun Belt. The only paper that I feel comes close is Murfreesboro. And the funny thing is that every time a Sun Belt school comes in to play UL, I know I hear the visiting SIDs talk about how they wish their local paper covered their university as much as we cover UL. When I tell them how much the local "fans" _____ about our coverage of UL, they practically fall out of their chair. None of them, with the exception of Middle, get the amount of coverage we give UL. And that's not a knock on those papers/schools, that's a tribute to Josh.

Now, with that said, could it be better? Hell yeah. If I were King, we'd hire at least one more UL beat writer to help Josh. If I were King, we'd have a UL-specific section on our website. If I were King, we'd have a daily UL page so we could devote more coverage to volleyball, soccer, cross country, etc. But we can only do what we can do, and given our resources, I believe we do a damn good job. If you disagree, I'm really sorry. I wish we had more staff, more room, more time. But we're down to a skeleton crew with little control and shrinking news space. It sucks, but it's the hand we're dealt.

[Turbine]

I think there is a bit of a hand mouth relationship at play here.

For a stretch -in the first part of the 20th Century- the Advertiser reported scores from the Ivy League. I'm sure they developed a following.

I don't know if it still holds true or not but in the past there was wiggle room in creating your own market.

I think Josh and Brady are doing the best ever at growing the UL market. It is a crying shame it happens to be at the same time the paper is downsizing so dramatically.

[HoustonCajun]

_ Believe me, the local university is a priority. If it wasn't a priority, we'd still be referring to it as the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, like every other media outlet does in this country. (By the way, that's a continuing struggle with the rest of the Louisiana papers in the Gannett chain) If it wasn't a priority, we wouldn't have "Wear Red" days on Fridays. If it wasn't a priority, we wouldn't cover "minor sports" such as softball. (I know it's nationally ranked, but go compare our softball coverage to LSU's softball coverage in the Advocate. Not. Even. Close.)

In reality, this LSU vs. UL argument only holds water twice or three times a year, and it happens to be on weekends when the ENTIRE nation has its eyes affixed to Baton Rouge. Ignoring the nation's No. 1 team, Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback playing at the nation's No. 4 team when it's only 45 miles away would be complete and udder stupidity. The other 11 weeks of the season, UL gets the lion's share of attention in TDA. And it's not even close, and anyone who wants to challenge that is welcome to come to our building and go day-by-day and count it up. Believe me, we've done it before.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I believe our coverage of UL is second-to-none in the Sun Belt. The only paper that I feel comes close is Murfreesboro. And the funny thing is that every time a Sun Belt school comes in to play UL, I know I hear the visiting SIDs talk about how they wish their local paper covered their university as much as we cover UL. When I tell them how much the local "fans" _____ about our coverage of UL, they practically fall out of their chair. None of them, with the exception of Middle, get the amount of coverage we give UL. And that's not a knock on those papers/schools, that's a tribute to Josh.

Now, with that said, could it be better? Hell yeah. If I were King, we'd hire at least one more UL beat writer to help Josh. If I were King, we'd have a UL-specific section on our website. If I were King, we'd have a daily UL page so we could devote more coverage to volleyball, soccer, cross country, etc. But we can only do what we can do, and given our resources, I believe we do a damn good job. If you disagree, I'm really sorry. I wish we had more staff, more room, more time. But we're down to a skeleton crew with little control and shrinking news space. It sucks, but it's the hand we're dealt. _

You still are not getting my point. The Advertiser coverage of the Cajuns is excellent. I have NO COMPLAINTS at all. I agree with you about our coverage.

That said, what my complaint is, on the internet, the PRIORITY given to UL sports. Not the articles and coverage, just where it is placed in the paper. Please explain WHY you can't have a UL SECTION with the lead article each day on UL with a picture promoting UL sports, be it football, basketball, softball, whatever is in season? Have the UL articles that you run in that lead section. After that, have all the LSU articles you want to run. The problem is who gets the daily priority in the paper, not the quality and amount of UL articles that are done. You don't have to devote more coverage to UL. What you are doing is great. Why can't UL simply be highlighted first? It is THE university of Lafayette and Acadiana. In BR, LSU gets that priority. In Austin, Texas gets that priority. They certainly cover Texas A&M, Baylor, Texas Tech and the Big 12, plus other Texas universities. But, Texas is always #1. Why can't the Advertiser do the same thing for UL? The Advertiser can help change the perception of UL to the casual fan and that can make a huge difference in attendance and support. So you say the Advertiser is not in the business of promoting UL, that is UL's job. I say, the Advertiser is in the business of supporting Lafayette business where its advertisers and subscribers come from and UL is the biggest employer and contributor to the economy of Lafayette. If not UL, then who? A university located in another city that gets the very priority we are seeking from its local Baton Rouge paper?

Again, to be clear on this, the coverage you provide on UL is excellent. There is no request for increased coverage. I also understand the relevance of LSU. This is NOT about promoting UL and UL only and leaving LSU off the paper. You have a lot of readers and subscribers that want to read information about LSU. By all means, print all the articles you want on LSU. Just lead off with UL articles and photos then follow that up with LSU and whatever else you are covering. Please explain WHY such a simple thing cannot be done. You are the only Gannett paper calling us UL and Louisiana. Surely, the Sports Editor has some leeway in the format of the Sports section. Let's start treating UL like a BCS program, like other BCS college city papers treat their universities. UL may not be a BCS program, but it has aspirations and all the efforts currently underway to move UL to a higher level will be enhanced with priority Advertiser coverage of UL.

[Parrott]

The problem now is LSU is first, second and sometimes third. Then, a UL article, then something on the SEC or high school, THEN another UL article. Of course, I'm talking about the internet as I don't receive the paper here in Houston.

If you don't get the newspaper, all you see if which stories run online. The print edition isn't like the online format. You don't see the weeky game day page that we do on Saturdays, complete with rosters, depth charts, stats, key matchups, etc.

In the print edition, you would have seen that LSU did not even get a full game day page this past week. We instead had a full one for the Cajuns.

[Bunch24]

_ You still are not getting my point. The Advertiser coverage of the Cajuns is excellent. I have NO COMPLAINTS at all. I agree with you about our coverage.

Surely, the Sports Editor has some leeway in the format of the Sports section. Let's start treating UL like a BCS program, like other BCS college city papers treat their universities. UL may not be a BCS program, but it has aspirations and all the efforts currently underway to move UL to a higher level will be enhanced with priority Advertiser coverage of UL. _

Like Josh said, we have little to no control over our website. That is produced in another city in another state. Do I like that? Nope, but that's the way it is. All we can do is submit the stories we've written and hope they get on the website. We also don't control how the website is designed, so we have no control over a UL, LSU or preps "section." We've discussed this at length with the people at our place and nothing has changed. As for the paper, that's the only thing we still control, and we're losing that control by the day. And with that said, the amount of room we dedicate to UL over LSU is not even close, with the exception of one week, when No. 4 LSU is playing No. 1 Florida in the NATIONAL game of the week.

As for the BCS thing, the fact is UL is not a BCS program. BCS programs don't draw 12,000 for the conference home opener. Like I said, the way we cover UL trumps any coverage in any other Sun Belt market. That's the standard right now. It's not fair to judge how UL is covered compared to LSU or Texas. How is UL covered compared to Rice? How is UL covered compared to Arkansas State?

I know you want to think UL is bigger than that, but right now that's just not even remotely possible. You see, the way it works is every time there's a reason to get excited about UL (IE going 1-2 against three BCS teams to open the season), you get the harsh reality that only 12,000 people give a ____. A newspaper is only a reflection of what the community cares about.

I'll let this thread get back to the heart of the matter, attendance. Any further questions about the Advertiser and UL coverage, please do it through private message.

[HoustonCajun]

_ Like Josh said, we have little to no control over our website. That is produced in another city in another state. Do I like that? Nope, but that's the way it is. All we can do is submit the stories we've written and hope they get on the website. We also don't control how the website is designed, so we have no control over a UL, LSU or preps "section." We've discussed this at length with the people at our place and nothing has changed. As for the paper, that's the only thing we still control, and we're losing that control by the day. And with that said, the amount of room we dedicate to UL over LSU is not even close, with the exception of one week, when No. 4 LSU is playing No. 1 Florida in the NATIONAL game of the week.

As for the BCS thing, the fact is UL is not a BCS program. BCS programs don't draw 12,000 for the conference home opener. Like I said, the way we cover UL trumps any coverage in any other Sun Belt market. That's the standard right now. It's not fair to judge how UL is covered compared to LSU or Texas. How is UL covered compared to Rice? How is UL covered compared to Arkansas State?

I know you want to think UL is bigger than that, but right now that's just not even remotely possible. You see, the way it works is every time there's a reason to get excited about UL (IE going 1-2 against three BCS teams to open the season), you get the harsh reality that only 12,000 people give a ____. A newspaper is only a reflection of what the community cares about.

I'll let this thread get back to the heart of the matter, attendance. Any further questions about the Advertiser and UL coverage, please do it through private message. _

I'll drop it with these last comments. I don't get to see the daily paper, only the internet which posts the Saturday Game Day full spread, etc. Apparently, all that is in the paper is on the internet, just not very well packaged. And, more and more people view the internet daily which is why a lot of papers are closing. This appears to have more impact than you give it credit.

I know UL is not a BCS program. We get 42,000 one week and 12,000 the next. That is from total neglect of athletics by our former President and failure to develop a winning tradition and national exposure. Now, under new leadership, things are changing for UL. Why compare UL to other schools that are at a level we want to surpass. If you want to improve things, why settle for the status quo? Why not look at how more successful programs do things and strive to excel to that level? By your thinking, and this continues to promote a somewhat negative perception of UL, nothing will likely improve, the community could care less, we are no better than any other mid-level program, so let's be content that we do as much as we do. We are not and never will be at LSU's level, so what's the point? God forbid we have any ambitions to rise to a higher level. Maybe we should tell the Beau Soleil team to come home now because we don't belong with the other top tiered universities they are competing against. I think a newspaper is more than "only a reflection of what the community cares about". A newspaper is the heart of a community, it has an impact on how the community views itself and it has a role in shaping that view. I think I better understand now why the Advertiser is what it is.

[CajunFreak]

_ I lived in Austin for 4 years and my wife is a Texas Ex. We went to a lot of UT games and while she wore UT gear, I always wore my UL red and white. I saw a lot of other schools represented at UT games as well and no one was ever hastle or questioned about it. And, we always went to the Texas Ex Alumni House across from the stadium. No one batted an eye.

We want people to come to our games and convert them to Cajun fans. If someone went to another school, so what if they wear their school colors as long as they are at the game. We will never build a following if we chase off anyone who does not bleed red and white. They might decide to come back for another game, then another, then start to feel out of place on their own and wear red and white to our games. In any event, they are a ticket purchaser and should walk away with a great game day experience. Let's convert them, why run them off? _

Exactly! Could not have written it better.