Should a coach be held responsible for losing a money game?

[CajunCharlie]

_ the reason why we have such a talent gap is because we strive for mediocrity and successful players and big name players dont want to play for a team that expects mediocrity. They wanna play for teams who want to be the Best.

Yes its one step at a time, but if you honestly "think you can play with anyone" like Bustle quotes in an interview, then show some balls and back up what you say.

Yes its a money game but another reason why we get overlooked for bowl games is cause we cannot beat anyone credibly good enough to actually get any recognition. so we win sunbelt, and say we do it with a 7-5 record. We'll get over looked because the only teams we beat were sunbelt and mediocre teams. thats why we need to be 8-4 or better.

idk, yall can accept the .500 program we have, i dont like it. We need to do like Nelson Stokely did and actually have winning seasons again. I'm tired of mediocrity. _

I have a difficult time accepting your statement that we strive for mediocrity. That is so untrue. It is preposterous that you make that statement. To ensure that your statement is correct, contact any of the coaches, face to face, and ask if they strive only for mediocrity. Let us know the answer, please!

[BirdofParadise]

_ I have a difficult time accepting your statement that we strive for mediocrity. That is so untrue. It is preposterous that you make that statement. To ensure that your statement is correct, contact any of the coaches, face to face, and ask if they strive only for mediocrity. Let us know the answer, please! _

Yes, please let us know the answer. It's okay to wait two or three days for the swelling to go down before you speak.

[duggie85]

_ Since neither Hudson, Fouquier or Wingerter scheduled the money games you are right they don't accept it.

I may be wrong but I think what raginWaldo is saying is that "someone" by just scheduling these games is willing to accept a loss/losing.

P$ I understand the rationale _

Turbine, I know you didn't make the post, so please don't take it that im trying to argue with you, but if that is what he meant, is he trying to say the reason why we don't get good recruits is because of david walker and scott farmer????? I could be wrong, but I have never heard of an athlete say he isn't going to play anywhere because of the people in office.

I wish waldo would clarify his statement.

[Turbine]

I could be wrong, but I have never heard of an athlete say he isn't going to play anywhere because of the people in office.

I haven't either. They do look at image that is formed for the most part on your historical W-L record.

Money games are a business model many subscribe to, one that has short term benifits with long term repercussions.

Mainly you have more money to recriut with and fewer points to recruit to.

jmo

[duggie85]

_ I haven't either. They do look at image that is formed for the most part on your historical W-L record.

Money games are a business model many subscribe to, one that has short term benifits with long term repercussions.

Mainly you have more money to recriut with and fewer points to recruit to.

jmo _

Of course recruits are gonna look at our win-loss record, i completely agree.

Waldo just thinks our administration and coaches don't care about losing money games and he couldn't be any farther from the truth.

[duggie85]

_ What are we doing with the money. Not much it looks like. _

Pretty sure new softball stadium is being built and track/soccer complex, new baseball field with stadium later.....

[Cajun90]

I haven't either. They do look at image that is formed for the most part on your historical W-L record.

Money games are a business model many subscribe to, one that has short term benifits with long term repercussions.

Mainly you have more money to recriut with and fewer points to recruit to.

jmo

The flipside of that argument. I think you will find that the coaches DO recruit based on those games. These guys actually like the idea that they get to play in some of the top venues in the country. I don't think these kids come into our program to follow in the footsteps of others. They come in to be the difference makers and they believe that they are in fact the ones that will make the difference and that not only will they have the oppurtunity to play in Memorial stadium in Nebraska but they will change the program by coming out with a win.

Winning 2-3 games a year I believe can damage our recruiting. An even 6-6 or 7-6 record is tremendously easier to recruit with. You can walk into a kids home and tell him that he is the one to make a difference and bring this team to the next level and he can do that now instead of hoping to play his Jr. year at BCS Uni.

It is an up hill battle but it isn't impossible. Boise State did it and so can the Cajuns. It isn't about losing a couple of money games a year. Recruits understand that. They don't understand feeding at the bottom of your non-BCS conference. They want to know they come into a program that has a legitimate shot at a bowl game and the opportunity to play in some of the top venues in the country. Obviously I'm over simplifying this from the standpoint of academics, accomodations etc.

JMHO

[Jo Cajun Momma]

I have a difficult time accepting your statement that we strive for mediocrity. That is so untrue. It is preposterous that you make that statement. To ensure that your statement is correct, contact any of the coaches, face to face, and ask if they strive only for mediocrity. Let us know the answer, please!

Even GOD doesn't like mediocrity.
Revelation 3:15-16 “I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth."

Revelations 3:15-16

[CajunCharlie]

_ Since neither Hudson, Fouquier or Wingerter scheduled the money games you are right they don't accept it.

I may be wrong but I think what raginWaldo is saying is that "someone" by just scheduling these games is willing to accept a loss/losing.

P$ I understand the rationale _

Turbine, I have never disagreed with any of your posts. This one I do, when you state that you understand the rationale.
I don't buy that. Granted we get a large payout, but to say that accepting these enticements means that we are willing to accept a loss is, I hate to say this, ludicrous.
You are still welcome to visit the us at the Krewe de Chew tailgating site.

[Just1More]

_ The flipside of that argument. I think you will find that the coaches DO recruit based on those games. These guys actually like the idea that they get to play in some of the top venues in the country. I don't think these kids come into our program to follow in the footsteps of others. They come in to be the difference makers and they believe that they are in fact the ones that will make the difference and that not only will they have the oppurtunity to play in Memorial stadium in Nebraska but they will change the program by coming out with a win.

Winning 2-3 games a year I believe can damage our recruiting. An even 6-6 or 7-6 record is tremendously easier to recruit with. You can walk into a kids home and tell him that he is the one to make a difference and bring this team to the next level and he can do that now instead of hoping to play his Jr. year at BCS Uni.

It is an up hill battle but it isn't impossible. Boise State did it and so can the Cajuns. It isn't about losing a couple of money games a year. Recruits understand that. They don't understand feeding at the bottom of your non-BCS conference. They want to know they come into a program that has a legitimate shot at a bowl game and the opportunity to play in some of the top venues in the country. Obviously I'm over simplifying this from the standpoint of academics, accomodations etc.

JMHO _

That is absolutely correct. These "big time game atmospheres" are attractive to many recruits. It is also our mission to improve, play competitively, and ultimately upset teams in these "money games". The point isn't that we should not play them - it is still quite necessary monetarily regardless - we need to do all that it takes within grasp of the program to improve ourselves. If we are going to play in the FBS, we have to be able to dominate teams in the over 50 ranking... and that will get us into bowls... get competitive in the 30-50 ranking... and that will get us where we could only hope to get... and play and upset top 25 teams when the opportunity arises.

To be so girlish as to want to avoid the schools that hand us our ass... BS. The only thing an ass kicking should do is make you suck it up and work harder... all of us. You want some pride??? And your idea of how to do it is to lighten up the schedule... BS!

Some of you are fairy fans. I'm sure glad you have absolutely nothing to do with deciding who we schedule and not. We don't run from a fight... we run to it. Take your ass whipping like a MAN! Men don't go find smaller men to beat up. Men get tougher and get back in the fight.

Someone has to get on here and lick your wounds for you by telling you what other teams (with fans that have big fat hairy balls) do to get better and play competitively from top to bottom!!! BS!!! Be a man... take the loss like a man! Come out fighting.

[Turbine]

_ The flipside of that argument. I think you will find that the coaches DO recruit based on those games. These guys actually like the idea that they get to play in some of the top venues in the country. I don't think these kids come into our program to follow in the footsteps of others. They come in to be the difference makers and they believe that they are in fact the ones that will make the difference and that not only will they have the oppurtunity to play in Memorial stadium in Nebraska but they will change the program by coming out with a win.

JMHO _

Jerry Babb said such when he signed.

I don't think most HS kids know what a money game is they do like the potential for competition though.

Personally I would prefer not to know the finances of a game it takes a litle of the love of football out of it for me.

[ULtimateCajun]

We need to just worry about what we can control. Can we improve? yes. Has the program as a whole under performed? IMO yes. Change is happening. If you can't see it, you are either blind or can't be satisfied. Give it time gents. We just got the RCAF going, we've got renovations in the works, our football team beat a BCS school and is getting a little bit of respect from LSU fans which has never happened in my lifetime. Is Rickey the guy for the future? I don't think so but he has gotten us to where we are now and I'm happy for now. JMO. Evaluate after the season.