Louisiana's 2015 Quarterback Situation

[cajun4life]

I agree with your point, but in terms of the debate, he was behind a 3rd round draft pick. Far from not beating out Broadway (I know a lot of you will love that). I eliminate P5 QBs and ones that sat behind other future NFL QBs from consideration because the development model noted earlier can be used in those instances.

Kurt Warner. HOF QB started 1 year at UNI after riding the pine for 3 years.

[duggie85]

The Bustle staff thought he was not getting the mental end of the game. If they had given him a real chance Bustle may have been successful enough to string out another year or two. Hud quickly saw he was the best of the three.

I guess fate and a dumb azz coach got us Hud.

Quickly? Didn't Masson and Gautier split reps for like 4 games??

[zephyr]

Boykin was 279-461 for 3714 yards and 30 TDs with 7 interceptions.
Petty was 234-377 for 3305 yards and 26 TDs with 6 interceptions.

Broadway in 2012, 2013 & 2014
2014: 216-342 for 2295 yards 13 TDs and 9 interceptions
2013: 166-266 for 2419 yards 19 TDs and 12 interceptions
2012: 206-315 for 2842 yards 17 TDs and 9 interceptions

Gautier
2011: 216-344 for 2958 yards 23 TDs and 6 interceptions


Boykins numbers are outrageous, but I wouldn't say it is a heavy read option offense. It is a true spread option offense. Look at his passing numbers.

Same with Bryce Petty, Baylor has led the Big 12 in rushing over the last 3 seasons, yet they are a wide open passing offense. You know it is possible to do both very well. We have just been so use to being good at running the ball that we abandon the passing game.

Also I am not bashing Broadway before anyone makes those claims. I am talking about the play calling. Now with TBs limitations there were plays we wouldn't run that both Baylor and TCU do run because Petty and Boykin throw great deep balls.

Imo we have the personnel to run that type of offense. Our OL is very talented and if asked to pass block they are good enough to do that.

The point is not in the stats, its in the offensive scheme. Next year, assuming Haack is under center, we will not be compared to what TCU did this year as they ran a more prolific offense with QB run oriented offense. I never said anything about being a heavy run oriented team. I said that they had a heavy option threat which would mean that when they do run the ball, the QB is often involved in that decision making process which we will NOT be next year if Haack is under center.

[CajunEXPRESS]

I'm not absolutely sure this is true. It all depends on our staff deciding which direction they're going with offensive philosophy. They could decide that they want a dual threat QB, criticizing (perhaps) Haack's mobility, and devaluing his passing abilities... while grading Nixon and Davis higher on an overall balance. I believe the QB race is as much to do with what direction the coaches take the bulk offensive philosophy, as it is the competitive abilities of the prospective QBs.

I think this is what C4L is pointing to. As far as he's concerned, he wants the headiest ball distribution passing expert in our backfield. He'd award that start right now to Haack, and force him to prove him wrong. That would require IMO a deliberate decision, upfront, that we're exercising the passing game to it's fullest extent. If not, we recruited a head and arm out of Katy Texas that C4L thinks some FCS program will relish.

Personally, I don't think the fight is among our QBs. I think the battle is in the head of our offensive coaching staff (obviously with Hud at the helm). And the future QB will selected by those decisions more than the actual competitive abilities of our stable of QBs.

It might boil down to do you prefer s player like Brian Mitchell or jake Delhommne. Those two were exceptions of course. But they both were solid citizens. Nixon needs to grow up fast. Hack needs to prove the USA debacle was a one time thing.

[CajunRage]

Kurt Warner. HOF QB started 1 year at UNI after riding the pine for 3 years.

So we've narrowed it down to Alex Smith and Kurt Warner? Any others?

[zephyr]

I'm not absolutely sure this is true. It all depends on our staff deciding which direction they're going with offensive philosophy. They could decide that they want a dual threat QB, criticizing (perhaps) Haack's mobility, and devaluing his passing abilities... while grading Nixon and Davis higher on an overall balance. I believe the QB race is as much to do with what direction the coaches take the bulk offensive philosophy, as it is the competitive abilities of the prospective QBs.

I think this is what C4L is pointing to. As far as he's concerned, he wants the headiest ball distribution passing expert in our backfield. He'd award that start right now to Haack, and force him to prove him wrong. That would require IMO a deliberate decision, upfront, that we're exercising the passing game to it's fullest extent. If not, we recruited a head and arm out of Katy Texas that C4L thinks some FCS program will relish.

Personally, I don't think the fight is among our QBs. I think the battle is in the head of our offensive coaching staff (obviously with Hud at the helm). And the future QB will selected by those decisions more than the actual competitive abilities of our stable of QBs.

It is understood that much can happen from spring to the first game of the season. However, is it not by default that he will be tentatively scheduled to be #1 on the depth chart headed to spring? If he is not, then there should be something highly wrong with C4L's argument. If Brooks Haack is the best we have at the position (and at this time I believe he will be) then its the coaches job to transform the offense to fit his skill set. If he is not the QB heading into the fall, it won't be because the coaches are stubborn about a particular scheme they want to run, it would be because he wasn't as good as we thought.

[zephyr]

Tom Brady says hi.


Before anyone overreacts, no I'm not comparing Haack to Brady. I'm just saying that coaches have put NFL QBs on the bench before.

Tom Brady started his last two years at Michigan. He was behind Brian Griese when he arrived and Griese was no donkey in college. Brady had to fight of Drew Henson but he was a valuable part of their success in college. I'm not sure Brady and Haack can really be compared especially since Haack hasn't even one a college game, much less become an NFL icon.

[zephyr]

I am using you as in general. The argument against Haack is he can't run like TB, people defend that as not bashing him just stating facts. TB can't throw like he did in 2012 or 2013, yet that is bashing him if you state it.

It is simple, stating physical limitations is now bashing a player according to you.

To be honest, I don't think there has necessarily been an argument against Haack. I think what you are seeing is a "lets keep everything in perspective" attitude in reaction to seeing yourself along with others mentioning how he's the most accurate passer we've ever had and the best since blank person with very limited experience and such a small body of work to go from. One cannot make statements like this about someone who has not won a game as a starter and had the pressure of leading his team week in and week out.

I, along with others, don't have anything against Haack but I will see how he takes the opportunity to become "the man" and how he leads his team next season before I give him the props he's already had. Its somewhat similar to the BG situation back about 4 years ago. Many of us thought he should play ahead of Masson and McGuire but the problem was that we had limited amounts of game play to go by until he got his opportunity to start a few games.

[CajunRage]

To be honest, I don't think there has necessarily been an argument against Haack. I think what you are seeing is a "lets keep everything in perspective" attitude in reaction to seeing yourself along with others mentioning how he's the most accurate passer we've ever had and the best since blank person with very limited experience and such a small body of work to go from. One cannot make statements like this about someone who has not won a game as a starter and had the pressure of leading his team week in and week out.

I, along with others, don't have anything against Haack but I will see how he takes the opportunity to become "the man" and how he leads his team next season before I give him the props he's already had. Its somewhat similar to the BG situation back about 4 years ago. Many of us thought he should play ahead of Masson and McGuire but the problem was that we had limited amounts of game play to go by until he got his opportunity to start a few games.

Right, I don't know if anyone has used his lack of running ability as to why he won't start. Most, at least I know myself, have only questioned why he is being crowned with the limited play he's had at the college level.

[cajun4life]

So we've narrowed it down to Alex Smith and Kurt Warner? Any others?

Let's see you restrict the pool of QBs to select from and then when 2 all pro QBs are pointed out that's not good enough?

[cajun4life]

Name me one freshman that has beaten out a 2 year incumbent starter who was winning? I can only think of 1.

[CajunRage]

Let's see you restrict the pool of QBs to select from and then when 2 all pro QBs are pointed out that's not good enough?

Ok, so Warner's first NFL season was 1998. Average career of an NFL QB is around 4.5 years. So every 5 years, you have 32 teams with 3 QB's on the roster. That's 384 QBs over 20 years. It's happened twice. That's less than 1%. So yes, that's not good enough.

If nothing else, both arguments are inconclusive and you can't say it is likely to happen one way or the other. And I believe you are the only one saying to bank on it. We are just saying to let it play out. No one is saying he absolutely won't be in the NFL in a couple years.