Best coaches in UL history.

[Big Buds]

Just went through Stokely's entire coaching schedule. The most challenging schedule he faced was in '96 and '97...more than likely the years we were asking for his head! Other than that...usual mid-major suspects.

'96
Florida
aTm
Virgina Tech
Texas Tech

'97
Pitt
OK State
Texas Tech
aTm

[CajunNation]

This is silly.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div...ette/index.php

Nelson won at least a share of a conference championship 2 out of the 3 years we were in a conference. That's 67%. Currently, we are working on a 25% championship rate. Lost out on the Las Vegas Bowl twice due to tiebreakers. We were Indy the other 10. For those of you with no memory or not old enough to know, there were very few bowl games for Indys back in the day. Bowl game argument is not valid. Especially because they had to change the rules just so we could go since we have such a hard time winning the SBC.

Nelson, on average, played 1 more money game per season than the current staff with an 11 game schedule, not 12.

Nelson, using the above link as reference, played the toughest schedules, BY FAR, of any coach in our history.

Nelson did that with a shoestring budget compared to today.

Nelson had Brian and Jake. Some of you want to fault him for that. Y'all need to imagine this year's squad without McGuire. Not pretty.

Nelson had no TV access.

Nelson had no Administrative support.


Shall I continue?

[Big Buds]

Valid points CajunNation...but I'd rather win 8 games a year and make bowl games than win 5 games a year and sit at home (I also understand the point of more bowl games being available). Was Nelson a better X's/O's guy...sure. Did that equal into 8 wins a year, no. IT'S ALL ABOUT WINNING IN MY BOOK.

[Turbine]

I disagree - remember that would have been 7 years of post season practice, when the limit was 4 weeks instead of 3, so that number of bowl eligible years could have grown, and we had Freeman, Hayes & Hayes, so still had mobile running QBs on the roster, then we switched offenses the year Jake was a freshman, ...

I was thinking of Freeman when I typed of his "refusing to switch the year after Mitchell."

Freeman was averaging 1.8 yards per carry but Stokley still rushed him a Mitchellesk 162 times in 1990

I understand your "projecting" on bowl eligible seasons because bowl appearances would most definitely have helped recruiting.

ps I am not sure of your meaning on the "because of Jake" comment, unless you are just throwing the fact out there I don't see a disagreement. That year, Stokley's style changed, I give him credit for that.

[CajunNation]

... That year, Stokley's style changed, I give him credit for that.

The 3 year drop-off between Brian and Jake was the time it took Nelson to realize that the run and shoot just didn't work unless you had a super-sepcial QB.

He got coaches who could change course and recruit accordingly.

I will never fault him for the 97 and 98 seasons. Nobody could have succeeded given what he had to deal with. Just like I will never fault Bustle for the first few years of his tenure. He had to build a roster almost from scratch.

When I think of Nelsons tenure, I really only consider 86-96.

[ManAboutTown]

This is silly.

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div...ette/index.php

Nelson won at least a share of a conference championship 2 out of the 3 years we were in a conference. That's 67%. Currently, we are working on a 25% championship rate. Lost out on the Las Vegas Bowl twice due to tiebreakers. We were Indy the other 10. For those of you with no memory or not old enough to know, there were very few bowl games for Indys back in the day. Bowl game argument is not valid. Especially because they had to change the rules just so we could go since we have such a hard time winning the SBC.

Nelson, on average, played 1 more money game per season than the current staff with an 11 game schedule, not 12.

Nelson, using the above link as reference, played the toughest schedules, BY FAR, of any coach in our history.

Nelson did that with a shoestring budget compared to today.

Nelson had Brian and Jake. Some of you want to fault him for that. Y'all need to imagine this year's squad without McGuire. Not pretty.

Nelson had no TV access.

Nelson had no Administrative support.


Shall I continue?

Thank you. Clarity kids.. The man speaks truth

[Rebel02]

The 3 year drop-off between Brian and Jake was the time it took Nelson to realize that the run and shoot just didn't work unless you had a super-sepcial QB.

He got coaches who could change course and recruit accordingly.

I will never fault him for the 97 and 98 seasons. Nobody could have succeeded given what he had to deal with. Just like I will never fault Bustle for the first few years of his tenure. He had to build a roster almost from scratch.

When I think of Nelsons tenure, I really only consider 86-96.

When I think of Hudspeth's tenure, I think of 2011-2014, with 34 wins (and counting) and 3 bowl wins. You can't write off a portion of a coach's tenure just because it doesn't fit the narrative of what you want people to believe of Stokely. Hudspeth is coaching with the rules in place just like Stokely had to coach with the rules in place during his tenure.

And in no way am I trying to discredit the teams that stokely had.

[CajunRage]

Thank you. Clarity kids.. The man speaks truth

What truth?! That he wrote off 5 years of Stokely's career? Write off 40% of hudspeth's and he's undefeated. On top of that, he used refusal to change a style as an excuse for down seasons. So that excuse is valid for Stokley but not Hudspeth? That's right. Hudspeth hasn't had a down year....

[ManAboutTown]

What truth?! That he wrote off 5 years of Stokely's career? Write off 40% of hudspeth's and he's undefeated. On top of that, he used refusal to change a style as an excuse for down seasons. So that excuse is valid for Stokley but not Hudspeth? That's right. Hudspeth hasn't had a down year....

Lmao.
Dude you're agenda is pain stakingly obvious.

[ManAboutTown]

When I think of Hudspeth's tenure, I think of 2011-2014, with 34 wins (and counting) and 3 bowl wins. You can't write off a portion of a coach's tenure just because it doesn't fit the narrative of what you want people to believe of Stokely. Hudspeth is coaching with the rules in place just like Stokely had to coach with the rules in place during his tenure.

And in no way am I trying to discredit the teams that stokely had.

But.. That's exactly what you're doing. Coach Lou coached, at USL no less, for a living and he's agreeing that Nelson Stokely was a better coach.. And you guys just can't stand that you're wrong. It's funny.

[Rebel02]

But.. That's exactly what you're doing. Coach Lou coached, at USL no less, for a living and he's agreeing that Nelson Stokely was a better coach.. And you guys just can't stand that you're wrong. It's funny.

What's funny is that you guys are going out of your way to keep going on and on that Hudspeth can't even sniff Stokely's jock strap as a coach. What point are you trying to prove? Do you still want to go back to the days of being an Indy and having 4-6 wins and no bowl tie in? The times have changed in the last 20 years. Quit living in the past and embrace the awesomeness that is going on.

[Rebel02]

Lmao.
Dude you're agenda is pain stakingly obvious.

Let's talk about your agenda. We get it...not a fan of hudspeth. You'd rather go back to the Stokely era. Enjoy living in the past. I'm loving the present and looking forward to the future.