Best coaches in UL history.

[Turbine]

FSF is right Turbine. It has nothing to do with records. We played much much better teams in the Stokley years. We played numerous juggernaut programs wire to wire. And Stokley gets credit, as a coach, for recruiting Brian and Jake... and knowing when and how to play them. Don't kid yourself... Stokley was a seriously good head coach. He wasn't much of a talker. He had very little charm and charisma with the fans. And he had no support from Martin Hall. When his head was in it, we were our best ever. Hud has outstanding athletes across the board, Turbine. He needs to "see" where the coaching chinks are and correct them. But no doubt, he's got some very special football leadership skills. When/if he recognizes the faults in the coaching going on, we'll be nasty good.

I'm not trying to discredit Stokley, overall he was a good coach.

Stokley definitely does get and deserve the credit, for recruiting Brian and Jake, but in between them, without them and after them, he was very Baldwinish.

[pasbon]

Has nothing to do with it

Has everything to do with it. A coach is only as good as his record. Its the only variable that all coaches have.
Stokley never accomplished what Hud has.

[ManAboutTown]

Wins and Losses are not the sole defining legacy of a coach man.
Just because you make a decision and it ends up working out for you, doesn't mean its the correct decision.
Just because you take a chance on an IPO, and it ends up making money, doesn't make you a trading wiz.
Just because you call an ALL-GO route on a 4th & 1, doesn't make you an offensive genius.

[basinbear]

I'm not trying to discredit Stokley, overall he was a good coach.

Stokley definitely does get and deserve the credit, for recruiting Brian and Jake, but in between them, without them and after them, he was very Baldwinish.

I will not reply in public to this......but you can damn well believe that I know what brought Nelsons program down........I will add this....I would have loved to have had what this Staff has in resources and facilities for Recruiting purposes.....

[Turbine]

I will not reply in public to this......but you can damn well believe that I know what brought Nelsons program down........I will add this....I would have loved to have had what this Staff has in resources and facilities for Recruiting purposes.....

I will add this, if Hud ever chooses to play Athletic Director and Head Football Coach at the same time, Stokley's success will dwarf his.

There is only one or two reasons a person would agree (or ask) to do both. You feel constrained either monetarily or lack freedom.

jmo

[Turbine]

Jeff Hennessy World Champion Trampoline coach

[pasbon]

Wins and Losses are not the sole defining legacy of a coach man.
Just because you make a decision and it ends up working out for you, doesn't mean its the correct decision.
Just because you take a chance on an IPO, and it ends up making money, doesn't make you a trading wiz.
Just because you call an ALL-GO route on a 4th & 1, doesn't make you an offensive genius.

All true. The only common factor is their respective records. I stand by my opinion. Oh, and the 4th consecutive up and coming bowl game says hi too

[FSF]

All true. The only common factor is their respective records. I stand by my opinion. Oh, and the 4th consecutive up and coming bowl game says hi too

Stokley says hi to playing a glorified D-II schedule in a D-II conference that's only labeled as D-1A (FBS)

Remember what our entire athletic budget was when Stokley was coach? Hell football alone spends more than that now!

Again, not discrediting Hud for all that he has accomplished, but as far as coaching goes, Stokley was better.

I am glad we have Hud now, and excited about the consecutive bowl games, but there are also like 37 bowls to 16 in Stokley 's era?

[Just1More]

Stokley says hi to playing a glorified D-II schedule in a D-II conference that's only labeled as D-1A (FBS)

Remember what our entire athletic budget was when Stokley was coach? Hell football alone spends more than that now!

Again, not discrediting Hud for all that he has accomplished, but as far as coaching goes, Stokley was better.

I am glad we have Hud now, and excited about the consecutive bowl games, but there are also like 37 bowls to 16 in Stokley 's era?

You trying to correct a clown.

[Turbine]

Stokley's strength was switching O styles to match Jake's abilities after refusing to switch the year after Mitchell.

He would have been bowl eligible 7 times by todays standards.

I don't see a large chasm in schedule strengths.

Sports spending has by a wide margin outstripped inflation and in the 80s few schools spent more than UL does now.

[FSF]

Stokley's strength was switching O styles to match Jake's abilities after refusing to switch the year after Mitchell.

He would have been bowl eligible 7 times by todays standards.

I don't see a large chasm in schedule strengths.

Sports spending has by a wide margin outstripped inflation and in the 80s few schools spent more than UL does now.

I disagree - remember that would have been 7 years of post season practice, when the limit was 4 weeks instead of 3, so that number of bowl eligible years could have grown, and we had Freeman, Hayes & Hayes, so still had mobile running QBs on the roster, then we switched offenses the year Jake was a freshman, but we had a stud JUCO we recruited from CA in Sanborn and DiPace from FL and Jake was supposed to be redshirted, so it wasn't because of Jake, but Jake took advantage of the situation and out performed those guys, and pretty much every other QB he competed with till the end in Cleveland.

Our schedule is horribly weak and those fans that don't mind playing FCS schools have no idea why we get skull drugged when playing our alleged peers, the SuckBelt talent is barely, and I mean barely above FCS, and we play bottom feeder FCS, and talent wise we are just getting guys with similar talent to those late 80's and mid 90's teams, sure we've gotten a few diamonds in the rough but overall and on the 3deep charts we aren't there yet, and our peer schools at the time were out spending their football budget to our entire athletic budget, granted it was only 3.2 - 3.8 million, but those figures are astronomical when taken in context.

[Big Buds]

What was so challenging about the schedule Stokely had to face?

Miami Ohio, NIU, San Jose State, LA Tech, Southern Miss, Tulane and few money games...seriously? I must be in the minority, but 4 straight bowl games people!!!