Bustle, Lee, Rogers

[zephyr]

_ We should have gone after Bowden. Lot of people said he would only take a major Univ. job, but Northern AL is where he landed.
We don't have the right people running our ATH DEPT. That's been a fact for years.
We're the same way with marketing and recruiting. We're like a Jr. High program. I read in the Advocate about where LA kids sign and we're never even listed as a school that was considered. Last week LSU got a couple of commitments and UL Monroe was listed as considered and we weren't even on the radar screen. The whole attitude needs to change at UL. _

You make some points about the attitude in the dept. but I think your views may be based on singles instances rather than seeing the bigger picture. While I have questioned the attitude in this dept in the past, I now think we have people in place with the exception of Walker who are commited to turning this program around and they've begun to do that. However, I don't believe for one moment that the A.D. would not love to have a top notch assistant interested in being here. I don't think that is the problem. However, I think that people keep overlooking the budget we work within before casting judgement. If we didn't work in such a poor budget, you would likely have seen Lee and probably Rogers gone after last season. What many just don't seem to get is that with a lack of private funding (and I don't want to hear that we didn't have the RCAF because they're received donations for years) you can't buy out existing contracts to hire more established candidates who will in turn want to be paid more also. If you do not have the budget, this is all just a pipe dream.

You question who we took over Bowden but he hasn't exactly lit it up in the football world and if he was such a great candidate, why did he end up where he did? I'm not buying it.

In regards to those recruits, you can go to several different websites that cover recruiting and come up with different schools that are supposedly interested or being considered. Many times, those schools aren't even in the running.

[zephyr]

_ Name a game i shot us out of... Come on man, i can except the truth... Thats what shooters do, we jack it up... But shoot us out of game, dont remeber many of those... COuldnt of been to many since we won 20 games everyyear i was in the lineup... Post season play as well... _

Gee, let me turn back the clock and go exactly to the various games for argument sake but let's just say that shot selection was not your strength....I'll leave it at that.

[ManAboutTown]

_ Gee, let me turn back the clock and go exactly to the various games for argument sake but let's just say that shot selection was not your strength....I'll leave it at that. _

Agree with both of your previous two posts. Like someone said earlier, when Brad was on, we were unstoppable. But I don't recall a player frustrating me more by taking ill-advised shots in big situations than you buddy.

Anyway, the admin has been in disarray for years, and just when everyone "can't take it anymore", we're being asked to be a little bit more patient. And thats what we'll have to do because we're still a ways away. IMO, we're Walker stepping down, Savoy taking over, and one more athletic-savvy suit away from being on the right track. But I guess we'll see.

[Spydaman70507]

_ We should have gone after Bowden. Lot of people said he would only take a major Univ. job, but Northern AL is where he landed.
We don't have the right people running our ATH DEPT. That's been a fact for years.
We're the same way with marketing and recruiting. We're like a Jr. High program. I read in the Advocate about where LA kids sign and we're never even listed as a school that was considered. Last week LSU got a couple of commitments and UL Monroe was listed as considered and we weren't even on the radar screen. The whole attitude needs to change at UL. _

Well you are right people can't say that N.Bama have more money than us. To pull in a coach like Terry Bowden there are still good coaches out there.

[Turbine]

.. If you dont shoot, it wont ever go in... _

Big TRUE

[Cajunsmike]

_ Hey thats understandable.. If you dont shoot, it wont ever go in... _

As someone who has played pickup basketball for more years than Brad has been alive, I can assure you he has the same mentality that all shooters do. The creed of shooters has a lot of truth in it. It is simply you miss every shot you don't take.

[zephyr]

_ As someone who has played pickup basketball for more years than Brad has been alive, I can assure you he has the same mentality that all shooters do. The creed of shooters has a lot of truth in it. It is simply you miss every shot you don't take. _

Well Mike, the great shooter's also know how to free themselves up for shots and know when and how to pull the trigger. I saw a lot of standing around and forcing shots by not just Brad but many of our players still today. You can be a great shooter and also shoot for percentage...See J.J. Reddick and some of the shooters of recent years alone, knowing when to shoot is as important as being able to shoot.

[CajunProud]

_ Well Mike, the great shooter's also know how to free themselves up for shots and know when and how to pull the trigger. I saw a lot of standing around and forcing shots by not just Brad but many of our players still today. You can be a great shooter and also shoot for percentage...See J.J. Reddick and some of the shooters of recent years alone, knowing when to shoot is as important as being able to shoot. _

Agree 100%. And therein lies the problem. We have had coaches that don't know how to coach a motion offense, or players that either don't know, or are too lazy to run it, or both. Based on my observations over the last several years, I would say the problem is primarily the former.

[Cajunsmike]

_ Agree 100%. And therein lies the problem. We have had coaches that don't know how to coach a motion offense, or players that either don't know, or are too lazy to run it, or both. Based on my observations over the last several years, I would say the problem is primarily the former. _

Major problem we have had is the lack of a good point guard who makes good decisions after penetrating. Daigle is one of our better shooters and he has the ball in his hands a lot. It is tough to shoot a good % in that situation. We would be better off we could more frequently get him in some catch and shoot situations.

[TillmansNumber1]

The Cajuns problems with coaches and their contracts come from two different problems.

First, the Cajuns often give long term contracts to coaches who don´t need or deserve them (Rogers and Lee), or they do not give enough money or time to the coaches who need long term contracts (Hall, Evans, Bustle).

Rogers, who was an assistant coach for lowly Mississippi State and a local high school head coach, was given, with no questions asked, a four year contract. He has repaid the Cajuns by driving down the win total and running off as many players as possible. No experience needed as the Cajuns give out four year contracts to anyone. On the flip side, the Cajuns gave year to year contracts to J. Kelly Hall, who was raising the win total every year. Winning every year will get you...one more year. The Cajuns, after 3 improving years of J Kelly Hall, finally realized he was a good coach and rewarded him with a four year contract. Though Hall professes his love of Cajun country and is siencere (his daughters were born here), there was no incentive to stay as Cincinatti offered him more money immediately.

UL is now stuck with 2 more years of Rogers, unless the university decides to pay his buyout. Meanwhile, Hall was fired by the Bearcats, and remains available to coach. His wife is a former WNBA player, Hall has had success at UL (got to the NCAA tournament as an at-large 11 seed) and UL has not contacted him. In his two years at Cincinatti, Hall did not forget how to coach.

Go after Hall. He´s not going to become a plumber tomorrow, and he had success at UL. It´s not like Rogers is going to take the Cajuns back to the NCAA tournament or earn a contract extension. Fire Rogers, and re-hire Hall, who is currently unemployed. He likely wants to coach again. As a male, his upward mobility is limited -- sadly -- and he speaks positively of UL.

Lee is no different. Lee completely hoodwinked an entire fan base and administration into believing losing the right way (with no description of such an ethos or credibility) was better than paying Jessie Evans to win 20 games a year. Lee had no experience as a college HC, had experience as an assistant for UL (which is not Arizona, the best program if you want to go to the NBA) and was an HC for a Opelousas High (not to be confused with DeMatha in Maryland), but the Cajuns gave him a 5 year contract.

The Cajuns saddle themselves with long term contract for coaches who have no credibility or experience. They are then stuck with the coach for the duration of the contract and have no wiggle room with which to work.

On the flip side, the Cajuns rarely give contract extensions or money to the coaches who deserve money or time. The Hall example was recently discussed, and Evans routinely won 20 games and only got one contract extension despite repeated postseason appearances. The Cajuns traded 20 wins, postseason appearances and ESPN2 games for 10 wins, home and away games against the same OOC opponent, and yearly first round exits from the SBC tournament.

If the program is performing well, the Cajuns have to reward coaches to promote stability in the program, retain season ticket holders and one time purchasers interested in winning, and establish some foundation for the university and its athletic department. Successful coaches (non-losing seasons at UL) need long term contracts to attract four year students or 3 year transfers (Evans ability, with a one year contract, to attract top athletes makes UL look more foolish for trading him for Lee).

UL may have fired Bustle without announcing it. Despite having non-losing seasons 3 of the last 5 years, Bustle was not rewarded for going 6-6, a rare accomplishment in the last 10 years of UL football (http://www.ncaapalace.com/component/...af/pastseasons). He has two years (2009, 2010) remaining on his deal. UL has no other option waiting in the wings, UL will not receive interest from top assistants or current HCs and UL should have extended Bustle after a 6-6 season.

Bustle will be lucky if he can recruit anyone considering he can truthfully tell recruits he will only be at UL their first season. The Cajuns will, at worst, finish 3-9 or, at best, 5-7 with a little luck in 2009. UL cannot extend Bustle, because of those results, in 2009, which leaves UL and Bustle, its most successful coach since 1993-1996, at a crossroads. Bustle will need more years on his contract to recruit, and UL, if it changes coaches, will have little recruiting from Bustle´s last year (why play for him if he´s not getting paid?), which drives down the appeal of the job and hurts the first year for the incoming coach. Bustle is having non-losing seasons. They aren´t sexy, but UL has no other option.

Second, the Cajuns refuse to raise money or develop a successful fundraising program. RCAF is constantly dotting the I and crossing the T. But, as the economy weakens and the programs get worse, RCAF´s inability to get its act together hurts the Cajuns ability to raise money to pay buyouts, attract coaches, and pay for deserved bonuses. There are no events in Lafayette to raise money for the Cajuns, and the events which are held are poorly advertised, meaning only those in the know can attend or donate. So much for attracting new fans and building a larger donor base.

RCAF will not be ready for the 2009 football season, which could be a blessing as the Cajuns record will be dismal. RCAF needed to be ready last year, and donations need to be required of anyone wanting season tickets. Women´s and men´s basketball will be poorly attended and it will be difficult to solicite donations for a programs going down the tube. But, as it stands, no one really knows about RCAF. The Cajuns announced it on a Friday, with no press attendance (there goes talking about it in front of the water cooler during the week), and it is still not ready. Donations cannot be made online, and the Cajuns have no database of fans to contact trying to get donations.

Example: this poster´s mother earned her Graduate Degree from UL. She has never once, in the 5 years since, been contacted to donate. The initial response might be ¨Well, she should make the effort to donate.¨ But the Cajuns cannot be that foolish. They must contact graduates, fans, ticket purchasers with regularity to build a database or donors who can help RCAF grow.

In order to survive in this economy, the Cajuns need to do two things. First, raise money through donors and companies (difficult to do as Cajuns effectively endorse mediocrity by refusing to fire failures like Lee and Rogers) to help drive down costs of firing and hiring new coaches. Second, give extensions for non-losing seasons (.500 and above) each time the non-losing season is achieved.

When the Cajuns had Hall and Evans and the teams were winning, the Cajuns did not capitalize by trying to get donations. They are currently paying the price. Their ability to change -- accepting on-line donations, calling donors and students, promoting RCAF at games, hosting RCAF events throughout the state -- will determine whether the Cajuns can realistically improve or whether the Cajuns simply change coaches and get the same results.

[cajun4life]

_ The Cajuns problems with coaches and their contracts come from two different problems.

First, the Cajuns often give long term contracts to coaches who don´t need or deserve them (Rogers and Lee), or they do not give enough money or time to the coaches who need long term contracts (Hall, Evans, Bustle).

Rogers, who was an assistant coach for lowly Mississippi State and a local high school head coach, was given, with no questions asked, a four year contract. He has repaid the Cajuns by driving down the win total and running off as many players as possible. No experience needed as the Cajuns give out four year contracts to anyone. On the flip side, the Cajuns gave year to year contracts to J. Kelly Hall, who was raising the win total every year. Winning every year will get you...one more year. The Cajuns, after 3 improving years of J Kelly Hall, finally realized he was a good coach and rewarded him with a four year contract. Though Hall professes his love of Cajun country and is siencere (his daughters were born here), there was no incentive to stay as Cincinatti offered him more money immediately.

UL is now stuck with 2 more years of Rogers, unless the university decides to pay his buyout. Meanwhile, Hall was fired by the Bearcats, and remains available to coach. His wife is a former WNBA player, Hall has had success at UL (got to the NCAA tournament as an at-large 11 seed) and UL has not contacted him. In his two years at Cincinatti, Hall did not forget how to coach.

Go after Hall. He´s not going to become a plumber tomorrow, and he had success at UL. It´s not like Rogers is going to take the Cajuns back to the NCAA tournament or earn a contract extension. Fire Rogers, and re-hire Hall, who is currently unemployed. He likely wants to coach again. As a male, his upward mobility is limited -- sadly -- and he speaks positively of UL.

Lee is no different. Lee completely hoodwinked an entire fan base and administration into believing losing the right way (with no description of such an ethos or credibility) was better than paying Jessie Evans to win 20 games a year. Lee had no experience as a college HC, had experience as an assistant for UL (which is not Arizona, the best program if you want to go to the NBA) and was an HC for a Opelousas High (not to be confused with DeMatha in Maryland), but the Cajuns gave him a 5 year contract.

The Cajuns saddle themselves with long term contract for coaches who have no credibility or experience. They are then stuck with the coach for the duration of the contract and have no wiggle room with which to work.

On the flip side, the Cajuns rarely give contract extensions or money to the coaches who deserve money or time. The Hall example was recently discussed, and Evans routinely won 20 games and only got one contract extension despite repeated postseason appearances. The Cajuns traded 20 wins, postseason appearances and ESPN2 games for 10 wins, home and away games against the same OOC opponent, and yearly first round exits from the SBC tournament.

If the program is performing well, the Cajuns have to reward coaches to promote stability in the program, retain season ticket holders and one time purchasers interested in winning, and establish some foundation for the university and its athletic department. Successful coaches (non-losing seasons at UL) need long term contracts to attract four year students or 3 year transfers (Evans ability, with a one year contract, to attract top athletes makes UL look more foolish for trading him for Lee).

UL may have fired Bustle without announcing it. Despite having non-losing seasons 3 of the last 5 years, Bustle was not rewarded for going 6-6, a rare accomplishment in the last 10 years of UL football (http://www.ncaapalace.com/component/...af/pastseasons). He has two years (2009, 2010) remaining on his deal. UL has no other option waiting in the wings, UL will not receive interest from top assistants or current HCs and UL should have extended Bustle after a 6-6 season.

Bustle will be lucky if he can recruit anyone considering he can truthfully tell recruits he will only be at UL their first season. The Cajuns will, at worst, finish 3-9 or, at best, 5-7 with a little luck in 2009. UL cannot extend Bustle, because of those results, in 2009, which leaves UL and Bustle, its most successful coach since 1993-1996, at a crossroads. Bustle will need more years on his contract to recruit, and UL, if it changes coaches, will have little recruiting from Bustle´s last year (why play for him if he´s not getting paid?), which drives down the appeal of the job and hurts the first year for the incoming coach. Bustle is having non-losing seasons. They aren´t sexy, but UL has no other option.

Second, the Cajuns refuse to raise money or develop a successful fundraising program. RCAF is constantly dotting the I and crossing the T. But, as the economy weakens and the programs get worse, RCAF´s inability to get its act together hurts the Cajuns ability to raise money to pay buyouts, attract coaches, and pay for deserved bonuses. There are no events in Lafayette to raise money for the Cajuns, and the events which are held are poorly advertised, meaning only those in the know can attend or donate. So much for attracting new fans and building a larger donor base.

RCAF will not be ready for the 2009 football season, which could be a blessing as the Cajuns record will be dismal. RCAF needed to be ready last year, and donations need to be required of anyone wanting season tickets. Women´s and men´s basketball will be poorly attended and it will be difficult to solicite donations for a programs going down the tube. But, as it stands, no one really knows about RCAF. The Cajuns announced it on a Friday, with no press attendance (there goes talking about it in front of the water cooler during the week), and it is still not ready. Donations cannot be made online, and the Cajuns have no database of fans to contact trying to get donations.

Example: this poster´s mother earned her Graduate Degree from UL. She has never once, in the 5 years since, been contacted to donate. The initial response might be ¨Well, she should make the effort to donate.¨ But the Cajuns cannot be that foolish. They must contact graduates, fans, ticket purchasers with regularity to build a database or donors who can help RCAF grow.

In order to survive in this economy, the Cajuns need to do two things. First, raise money through donors and companies (difficult to do as Cajuns effectively endorse mediocrity by refusing to fire failures like Lee and Rogers) to help drive down costs of firing and hiring new coaches. Second, give extensions for non-losing seasons (.500 and above) each time the non-losing season is achieved.

When the Cajuns had Hall and Evans and the teams were winning, the Cajuns did not capitalize by trying to get donations. They are currently paying the price. Their ability to change -- accepting on-line donations, calling donors and students, promoting RCAF at games, hosting RCAF events throughout the state -- will determine whether the Cajuns can realistically improve or whether the Cajuns simply change coaches and get the same results. _

I have my own theory as to why we allow both basketball programs to flounder. It goes back to the 70's when we were known as an athletic university and the academic side of the house became bitter and jealous. Therefore the best thing to do is hire inept coaches and barely fund athletics in order to kill them off. But this had a negative affect on USL/UL. In a sports driven region, UL's academic reputation took a huge hit when the athletic department received the death penalty.

Like it or not perception of a university in the south is based off of athletics, if you have great athletics then the average person believes the university to be just as great. Cajunfun may argue otherwise, but again perception is reality, a great example of this is LSU. They are one of the top 10 athletic programs in the country and people around here believe that they are an elite academic institution which is in fact not true. They are the best public university in Louisiana, and even that is debatable.

Getting back to my main point, I do not believe that we need to guarantee coaches who are successful with long term contracts. Incentives for Bustle, Lee, Rogers or any coaches.

If I were writing contracts for UL this is how I would structure them:
I base this off of current salary estimates

Bustle
yearly salary - $200000
Shared Belt Crown - $5000 bonus
Outright Champ - $10000 bonus plus 1 year extension
7-5 season - $15000 bonus each additional win $5000
Bowl appearance - $10000 bonus
Bowl Win - $10000 bonus plus 1 year extension
10 win season - $50000 raise plus 3 year extension

That would allow Bustle to receive up to 55% additional salary through bonus money.

Lee/Rogers
yearly salary - $120000/$100000 (I may be off)
Outright West division champs - $5000 bonus
Outright Belt Champ regular season - $10000 bonus plus 1 year extension
Belt Tourny Champ - $10000 bonus
At Large Bid - $5000 bonus
NCAA Tourny win - $3000 bonus each additional win $3000 plus 2 year extension
20-25 win season - $3000 bonus
25+ wins - $5000 bonus plus 1 year extension

This would allow Lee/Rogers to earn up to $36000 more in bonus money boosting their respective salary to $156000/$136000.

For the basketball coaches with bonuses are still barely making more than Southerns baseball coach.

[zephyr]

_ The Cajuns problems with coaches and their contracts come from two different problems.

First, the Cajuns often give long term contracts to coaches who don´t need or deserve them (Rogers and Lee), or they do not give enough money or time to the coaches who need long term contracts (Hall, Evans, Bustle).

Rogers, who was an assistant coach for lowly Mississippi State and a local high school head coach, was given, with no questions asked, a four year contract. He has repaid the Cajuns by driving down the win total and running off as many players as possible. No experience needed as the Cajuns give out four year contracts to anyone. On the flip side, the Cajuns gave year to year contracts to J. Kelly Hall, who was raising the win total every year. Winning every year will get you...one more year. The Cajuns, after 3 improving years of J Kelly Hall, finally realized he was a good coach and rewarded him with a four year contract. Though Hall professes his love of Cajun country and is siencere (his daughters were born here), there was no incentive to stay as Cincinatti offered him more money immediately.

UL is now stuck with 2 more years of Rogers, unless the university decides to pay his buyout. Meanwhile, Hall was fired by the Bearcats, and remains available to coach. His wife is a former WNBA player, Hall has had success at UL (got to the NCAA tournament as an at-large 11 seed) and UL has not contacted him. In his two years at Cincinatti, Hall did not forget how to coach.

Go after Hall. He´s not going to become a plumber tomorrow, and he had success at UL. It´s not like Rogers is going to take the Cajuns back to the NCAA tournament or earn a contract extension. Fire Rogers, and re-hire Hall, who is currently unemployed. He likely wants to coach again. As a male, his upward mobility is limited -- sadly -- and he speaks positively of UL.

Lee is no different. Lee completely hoodwinked an entire fan base and administration into believing losing the right way (with no description of such an ethos or credibility) was better than paying Jessie Evans to win 20 games a year. Lee had no experience as a college HC, had experience as an assistant for UL (which is not Arizona, the best program if you want to go to the NBA) and was an HC for a Opelousas High (not to be confused with DeMatha in Maryland), but the Cajuns gave him a 5 year contract.

The Cajuns saddle themselves with long term contract for coaches who have no credibility or experience. They are then stuck with the coach for the duration of the contract and have no wiggle room with which to work.

On the flip side, the Cajuns rarely give contract extensions or money to the coaches who deserve money or time. The Hall example was recently discussed, and Evans routinely won 20 games and only got one contract extension despite repeated postseason appearances. The Cajuns traded 20 wins, postseason appearances and ESPN2 games for 10 wins, home and away games against the same OOC opponent, and yearly first round exits from the SBC tournament.

If the program is performing well, the Cajuns have to reward coaches to promote stability in the program, retain season ticket holders and one time purchasers interested in winning, and establish some foundation for the university and its athletic department. Successful coaches (non-losing seasons at UL) need long term contracts to attract four year students or 3 year transfers (Evans ability, with a one year contract, to attract top athletes makes UL look more foolish for trading him for Lee).

UL may have fired Bustle without announcing it. Despite having non-losing seasons 3 of the last 5 years, Bustle was not rewarded for going 6-6, a rare accomplishment in the last 10 years of UL football (http://www.ncaapalace.com/component/...af/pastseasons). He has two years (2009, 2010) remaining on his deal. UL has no other option waiting in the wings, UL will not receive interest from top assistants or current HCs and UL should have extended Bustle after a 6-6 season.

Bustle will be lucky if he can recruit anyone considering he can truthfully tell recruits he will only be at UL their first season. The Cajuns will, at worst, finish 3-9 or, at best, 5-7 with a little luck in 2009. UL cannot extend Bustle, because of those results, in 2009, which leaves UL and Bustle, its most successful coach since 1993-1996, at a crossroads. Bustle will need more years on his contract to recruit, and UL, if it changes coaches, will have little recruiting from Bustle´s last year (why play for him if he´s not getting paid?), which drives down the appeal of the job and hurts the first year for the incoming coach. Bustle is having non-losing seasons. They aren´t sexy, but UL has no other option.

Second, the Cajuns refuse to raise money or develop a successful fundraising program. RCAF is constantly dotting the I and crossing the T. But, as the economy weakens and the programs get worse, RCAF´s inability to get its act together hurts the Cajuns ability to raise money to pay buyouts, attract coaches, and pay for deserved bonuses. There are no events in Lafayette to raise money for the Cajuns, and the events which are held are poorly advertised, meaning only those in the know can attend or donate. So much for attracting new fans and building a larger donor base.

RCAF will not be ready for the 2009 football season, which could be a blessing as the Cajuns record will be dismal. RCAF needed to be ready last year, and donations need to be required of anyone wanting season tickets. Women´s and men´s basketball will be poorly attended and it will be difficult to solicite donations for a programs going down the tube. But, as it stands, no one really knows about RCAF. The Cajuns announced it on a Friday, with no press attendance (there goes talking about it in front of the water cooler during the week), and it is still not ready. Donations cannot be made online, and the Cajuns have no database of fans to contact trying to get donations.

Example: this poster´s mother earned her Graduate Degree from UL. She has never once, in the 5 years since, been contacted to donate. The initial response might be ¨Well, she should make the effort to donate.¨ But the Cajuns cannot be that foolish. They must contact graduates, fans, ticket purchasers with regularity to build a database or donors who can help RCAF grow.

In order to survive in this economy, the Cajuns need to do two things. First, raise money through donors and companies (difficult to do as Cajuns effectively endorse mediocrity by refusing to fire failures like Lee and Rogers) to help drive down costs of firing and hiring new coaches. Second, give extensions for non-losing seasons (.500 and above) each time the non-losing season is achieved.

When the Cajuns had Hall and Evans and the teams were winning, the Cajuns did not capitalize by trying to get donations. They are currently paying the price. Their ability to change -- accepting on-line donations, calling donors and students, promoting RCAF at games, hosting RCAF events throughout the state -- will determine whether the Cajuns can realistically improve or whether the Cajuns simply change coaches and get the same results. _

Well, I will read the rest of your post in a bit but thought I needed to comment on the fact that a 4 year contract is not long at all for a head coach taking over a program. You take a program that was where the women's program was and still is and it takes a LONG time to develop a winning atmosphere. I'm not saying that we should have hired Rogers as i think he is terrible but I think 4 years was fine in terms of length of the contract. The problem comes in when he shows nothing in only 2 years and you want to get rid of him but don't have the private funding to buy him out.. Also, the program DID offer Hall more money to stay when the Cincy offer came up but he CHOSE to go somewhere else. Now, he is seeing that maybe he did have it good here but you can't fault him for wanting what he thought was a good opportunity. UL did everything in their power to keep Hall after the offer they were able to come up with to keep him was even surprising to Hall as he said he never thought UL could come up with that amount to pay him. However, the grass is always greener on the other side. Would I love to get he and his wife back? Absolutely, I think they are a great fit here. However, throw blame into both directions.