Bustle, Lee, Rogers

[Crackleton]

_ Name one player Evans so called bribed as you say he did. _

Right. I'm sure Anthony Johnson and Southall bought those luxury cars they rolled around campus in with their text book stipends.

[CajunCanaille]

_ Name one player Evans so called bribed as you say he did. _

While Evans put an exciting product on the court, off the court it was a different story. I understand it's tough to get model students how can play ball. I even think Lee has a good team, he just can't coach it. Wasn't there a debate over Anthony Johnson's car and didn't he let another player live with him for a while. It's wrong what goes one but most people do it. It's all about who gets caught.

I say Bustle must go if he does not make it to a bowl. I just doubt we pay the money to do it if he only has one year left on his contract.

Lee needs to go but I have a feeling he will have a good season with this team and earn him a 1 year contract. Like I said before, I think he has the pieces, he just does a poor job of coaching them.

Women's basketball needs to go but I doubt he will be fired either. Jay made a great point on the radio after the last basketball season. When we were losing under Gay Nix nobody was going to games. When we were winning under Kelly Hall, nobody was going to the games. We are losing again under Rogers and nobody is going to the games. It seems that people don't really care enough about WBB to lose all kind of money over a coaching change.

Whatever happens we need to make sure that we will have to money to make a good hire. If this means that we would have to suffer through an extra year of a coach just to be able to pay big money for another then so be it. I don't want to settle for another mediocre coach just b/c we couldn't pay for a good one. I want to win NOW and I'm tired of trying to do it with ____ poor coaching hires and hoping we get lucky with one. I don't want this to seem like I'm bashing Bustle. He has improved this team and brought us up from the very bottom. However, I do think that he has reached his potential at this university. Bottom line is I, like everyone on this board, want to win. I trust that Farmer will make the right decision when the time comes.

Oh....and I think it's time for Walker to step down and let Farmer take the wheel.

[zephyr]

_ I'm looking at a copy of his contract extension right now. Runs until January 31, 2011. Maybe people are thinking that the contract is through the 2010 SEASON. _

Which is true. He has two seasons left to coach on his contract.

[IHateLaState]

_ Our expectations are so low. Bustle has had 8 years. He shouldn't have to "rebuild" but reload. Having guys right behind last years starters to step up and carry the torch is a major part of being a college coach. There should be no excuses but some of you guys are already making excuses! If we keep Bustle after a losing season then I know we are not very serious about football. _

AMEN... no let me say it again.. AMEN..... how can people possibly be talking about a freaking EXTENSION for a break-even record and yet again no bowl game in his 8th year.............. good LORDY ALL MIGHTY as my grandma used to say.... 7 wins minimum to stay... Bowl game perhaps gets an extension......... raise your expectations people.....

Great Post RCajun90

[zephyr]

_ Our expectations are so low. Bustle has had 8 years. He shouldn't have to "rebuild" but reload. Having guys right behind last years starters to step up and carry the torch is a major part of being a college coach. There should be no excuses but some of you guys are already making excuses! If we keep Bustle after a losing season then I know we are not very serious about football. _

You are NEVER in a position to "reload" when your entire athletic budget was at times as low as $7million. That is an insane comment and unrealistic expectation. With that type of budget, it is hard to find good coaches willing to stick around, recruit good players, update facilities and minimize your dependence on money games which usually factor into automatic losses. While 6-6 does get really old, I want this university and community to provide him with better resources before I call 6-6 a reason to be fired. To finalize that, you take where the program was when he inherited it and how many scholarships he had and I find it to be in a much better place than when he arrived.

[zephyr]

_ This topic heats up every year around this time. How can anyone say they've seen no improvement?! Thats absurd guys. My first question to you nay-sayers would be, yes we are losing some very explosive players, but what makes you think that the players we have stepping in are incapable of producing? These guys are not shmucks. Remember how excited all of you were when we landed these recruits? What happened, did they forget the game overnight? The majority of the new starters have on-field, real time, serious game experience. The defense will impress us all, and our athletic reserves will be fine on special teams, a strong point for bustle's staff for years. 6-6, in my opinion, would be disappointing, but for not because i'm tired of losing. Its because i believe, objectively, we have the pieces to win now. Not to mention, who are these hot-shot coordinators and 'big name' HC we're going to hire? And afford? Bustle has done an excellent job laying a strong foundation. He deserves, at least a shot, to take us to the next level.
igeaux.mobi _

6-6 would NOT be disappointing because while we do have some talent in the wings replacing the previous guys, they are unproven. McGuire started ONE game and looked overwhelmed at times. He did real well in leading us back and showed great leadership and character but he is no seasoned veteran. RB is a position that none of us truly know what to expect. We are replacing a back who didn't miss blocking assignments, didn't drop passes, fumble, get stupid penalties and didn't know how to fall back when stopped. While there is talent at the position, it is extremely hard to overcome lack of experience. At WR, I believe we will be OK. However, until we know what to expect from our signal caller and RB, I am very concerned.

Otherwise, I agree with your post.

[cajun4life]

_ Right. I'm sure Anthony Johnson and Southall bought those luxury cars they rolled around campus in with their text book stipends. _

Ant drove a three year old Caddilac at the time that his future wife bought him. It had nothing to do with Evans. Southall didn't drive a luxury car. If Evans would have done anything dirty we would have had much worse sanctions than what we got. The only reason we had to forfet games was because 1 the NCAA changed the way it looked at distance learning courses and 2 because our compliance officer was incompetent. The same mistakes were made while she was at ASU.

Evans didn't keep his players eligible, but he won games. Lee was on that staff as well and he didn't help keep those kids eligible then either.

[RCAJUN90]

_ You are NEVER in a position to "reload" when your entire athletic budget was at times as low as $7million. That is an insane comment and unrealistic expectation. With that type of budget, it is hard to find good coaches willing to stick around, recruit good players, update facilities and minimize your dependence on money games which usually factor into automatic losses. While 6-6 does get really old, I want this university and community to provide him with better resources before I call 6-6 a reason to be fired. To finalize that, you take where the program was when he inherited it and how many scholarships he had and I find it to be in a much better place than when he arrived. _

Load up the excuse gun. You are going to need plenty of ammo when Southern drills us.
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[zephyr]

"Oh....and I think it's time for Walker to step down and let Farmer take the wheel."


I agree!

[Crackleton]

_ Ant drove a three year old Caddilac at the time that his future wife bought him. It had nothing to do with Evans. Southall didn't drive a luxury car. If Evans would have done anything dirty we would have had much worse sanctions than what we got. The only reason we had to forfet games was because 1 the NCAA changed the way it looked at distance learning courses and 2 because our compliance officer was incompetent. The same mistakes were made while she was at ASU.

Evans didn't keep his players eligible, but he won games. Lee was on that staff as well and he didn't help keep those kids eligible then either. _

I don't doubt he won games. Those were some of the funnest teams to watch that I can remember. But at what cost? If you're going to lay all the blame on a compliance officer, then who's to blame for the way he left San Francisco?

[cajun4life]

_ I don't doubt he won games. Those were some of the funnest teams to watch that I can remember. But at what cost? If you're going to lay all the blame on a compliance officer, then who's to blame for the way he left San Francisco? _

What happened at San Francisco had nothing to do with the accusations that you placed on the way Evans ran the program here. You said he "bribed" players to come here, yet you have no proof at all. It didn't happen.

We were the premier program along with WKU in the Belt until Lee took over. You can't blame facilities because the Dome is one of the nicest in the country. Fletcher won but people hated him. Evans won but didn't get guys eligible. Lee can't win or recruit and yet people defend him because he is doing it the right way.

If you win games and do not violate NCAA rules or have players breaking the law, then I don't care how you go about winning games.

[ManAboutTown]

6-6 would NOT be disappointing because while we do have some talent in the wings replacing the previous guys, they are unproven. McGuire started ONE game and looked overwhelmed at times. He did real well in leading us back and showed great leadership and character but he is no seasoned veteran. RB is a position that none of us truly know what to expect. We are replacing a back who didn't miss blocking assignments, didn't drop passes, fumble, get stupid penalties and didn't know how to fall back when stopped. While there is talent at the position, it is extremely hard to overcome lack of experience. At WR, I believe we will be OK. However, until we know what to expect from our signal caller and RB, I am very concerned.

Otherwise, I agree with your post.

Disappointing is maybe a tough word to use, but in my opinion, i think we're capable of a 7 win season. Ppl like RC90 just don't get it man. They don't understand what 'realistic' expectations are. They don't understand that it takes money and resources to make a successful program, and to maintain it. Then they attack others for trying to make sense, and explain why these things happen to ul, by calling them 'ppl whom except mediocrity'. It will never click for these ppl.
igeaux.mobi