Bustle, Lee, Rogers

[Crackleton]

_ What happened at San Francisco had nothing to do with the accusations that you placed on the way Evans ran the program here. You said he "bribed" players to come here, yet you have no proof at all. It didn't happen.

We were the premier program along with WKU in the Belt until Lee took over. You can't blame facilities because the Dome is one of the nicest in the country. Fletcher won but people hated him. Evans won but didn't get guys eligible. Lee can't win or recruit and yet people defend him because he is doing it the right way.

If you win games and do not violate NCAA rules or have players breaking the law, then I don't care how you go about winning games. _

O.K. maybe bribed wasn't the best choice of words. I was a bit over-the-top with that one.

You seem to be contradicting yourself with that last sentence, though. Isn't using inelligible players a violation of NCAA rules? And please don't confuse my opinions of Evans as defense of Lee.

Here are the facts: Evans brought the program up. Evans bailed on us. The basketball program has to forfeit past games for things that occurred under Evans' watch and the program goes into the toilet under Lee. Evans gets run out of San Fran for alegedly committing numerous "secondary'' NCAA violations amounting to the "loss of control'' of the program. (Evans has sued the university for this statement.)

Pardon me for not thinking very highly of the guy.

[cajun4life]

_ O.K. maybe bribed wasn't the best choice of words. I was a bit over-the-top with that one.

You seem to be contradicting yourself with that last sentence, though. Isn't using inelligible players a violation of NCAA rules? And please don't confuse my opinions of Evans as defense of Lee.

Here are the facts: Evans brought the program up. Evans bailed on us. The basketball program has to forfeit past games for things that occurred under Evans' watch and the program goes into the toilet under Lee. Evans gets run out of San Fran for alegedly committing numerous "secondary'' NCAA violations amounting to the "loss of control'' of the program. (Evans has sued the university for this statement.)

Pardon me for not thinking very highly of the guy. _

The point that I am making is that Evans had no clue that Orien Green was not eligible. In fact those sanctions came after Green was out of school. A rule change by the NCAA and a bad compliance offer is the reason we were penalized. Not because Evans deliberately played an ineligble player, who at the time was deemed eligible by our own athletic department.

Evans also did not bolt for San Fran voluntarily, his contract was not going to be renewed so he was essentially forced out. Just like Fletcher.

[Crackleton]

_ The point that I am making is that Evans had no clue that Orien Green was not eligible. In fact those sanctions came after Green was out of school. A rule change by the NCAA and a bad compliance offer is the reason we were penalized. Not because Evans deliberately played an ineligble player, who at the time was deemed eligible by our own athletic department.

Evans also did not bolt for San Fran voluntarily, his contract was not going to be renewed so he was essentially forced out. Just like Fletcher. _

For all I know Evans is a great guy. The players really seemed to like him, and he put together some kick-butt teams. You are obviously closer to him than I. You say he was a victim of circumstance while at UL - fine. Who can keep track of minor rule changes when you're trying to win games anyway? Is that even really a coach's responsibility? I can sympathise with that.

Maybe I'm feeling a bit scorned because his teams were so great. The program was on the verge of gaining serious national recognition in my opinion, and then things went sour two years after he left. It's like when your girlfriend breaks up with you and you blame everything wrong in your life thereafter because of her. It's time I started with the man in the mirror.

[UL_Cajuns]

_ He deserves, at least a shot, to take us to the next level.
igeaux.mobi _

He has been given a shot. It is time for him to take us to the next level. And that next level is a bowl game. It has to be this year.

Didn't I say this last year and the year before and the year before? Dejavu?

[RCAJUN90]

_ Disappointing is maybe a tough word to use, but in my opinion, i think we're capable of a 7 win season. Ppl like RC90 just don't get it man. They don't understand what 'realistic' expectations are. They don't understand that it takes money and resources to make a successful program, and to maintain it. Then they attack others for trying to make sense, and explain why these things happen to ul, by calling them 'ppl whom except mediocrity'. It will never click for these ppl.
igeaux.mobi _

1) What does realistic expectations mean to you? Going to a bowl game before I die is my expectation.
2)No doubt we are sorely underfunded. Who do you blame for that? The fans? No I don't think so. The admin for not being serious about football? BINGO!
3) Not trying to attack others just defending my position. You and others make a valid point. Those of us that think that after 8 years there should be no more excuses also have a valid point. I try to never forget we are fans and all want the same things. If you think I tried to attack you I apologize.
4) I do think some of you guys expect mediocrity. Eight freaking years dude! Programs have gone from scratch to 1-A in that period of time. You can also earn a Phd in that time span. Eight years is a loooong time. Is Bustle to blame for football? He is the coach so ultimately yes! BTW He was well aware of how much money he was going to make. A mistake some of you make is that you believe paying more will get you better results. If Bustle can't do the job for what we pay him then lets find a younger hungrier guy that is excited about making that kind of money for coaching football. Ultimately none of this matters because I believe Martin Hall is not serious about football.

[Turbine]

Ant drove a three year old Caddilac at the time that his future wife bought him. It had nothing to do with Evans. Southall didn't drive a luxury car. If Evans would have done anything dirty we would have had much worse sanctions than what we got. The only reason we had to forfet games was because 1 the NCAA changed the way it looked at distance learning courses and 2 because our compliance officer was incompetent. The same mistakes were made while she was at ASU.

Evans didn't keep his players eligible, but he won games. Lee was on that staff as well and he didn't help keep those kids eligible then either.

Thank you.
igeaux.mobi

[Turbine]

O.K. maybe bribed wasn't the best choice of words. I was a bit over-the-top with that one.

You seem to be contradicting yourself with that last sentence, though. Isn't using inelligible players a violation of NCAA rules? And please don't confuse my opinions of Evans as defense of Lee.

Here are the facts: Evans brought the program up. Evans bailed on us. The basketball program has to forfeit past games for things that occurred under Evans' watch and the program goes into the toilet under Lee. Evans gets run out of San Fran for alegedly committing numerous "secondary'' NCAA violations amounting to the "loss of control'' of the program. (Evans has sued the university for this statement.)

Pardon me for not thinking very highly of the guy.

The NCAA clarified the rule after the fact!

The ONLY reason UL recieved sanctionsis because the admin offered up it's own undeserved punishment.

The whole issue was so incredibly public it wasn't funny. All the way down to this is what Orien needs and this is the plan of action. It was all report in real time by the media. A new NCAA chief looking to make a name for herself sharpened their interpretation, while UL fed the beast with sanctions on a silver platter.
igeaux.mobi

[Turbine]

Thats exactly correct.... About Evans playing Orien, The job of a comp worker is to let the coaching staff know if and when a player will be eligible.

Evans made us compete in practice, never letting us know who was going to start until minutes before the game. He made the team fight against each other at practice. You had to earn that ____... Evans was Evans, however you look at it.... Post season play almost every year. Top of the league almost every year... No one was bribed to come either, we hardly ever had any money to get food... Players came to UL because of the players that were here. I came, becuase of Blane Harmon, Orlando Butler, Lonnie Thomas. Mike southall came because of me, Laurie Bridges, Anthony Johnson... Orien Greene came for the same reasons as well as Tiras Wade. Dwayne Mithchell came becuase of the N.O. connect of Laurie Bridges and Toine Landry... No one came really because of Evans, we came because of the talent of the players Evans already had at UL. The players just wanted to win games and play basketball everyday...

That's interesting.

Thanks

igeaux.mobi

[Zeebart21]

That's interesting.

Thanks

igeaux.mobi

yep..............

[CajunProud]

Ok. I've been out of town for a few weeks, and I am bored, so let me interject someone else into the mix (only because i have had a miserable summer and I love the abuse i get on this board).

What about Robichaux? Like I said above, i've been out of town for a few weeks. I get back yesterday, and my "source" tells me that we have lost a couple more baseball players. What gives? If we don't get close to the regionals next year, i think we need to start looking.

Ok. Let the abuse begin.

[CajunNation]

What if Bustle has a losing record.
What if Lee Has another terrible year.
What if Rogers has another terrible year.
I hope none of the above happens, but::::

What are the odds that all three coaches will be fired if this happens in the same year?

Do the basketball coaches in 2010.

Do the football coach in 2011.

With Obamanomics destroying Capitalism, we have to be financially prudent which means no buyouts of football coaches.

[cajun4life]

_ Ok. I've been out of town for a few weeks, and I am bored, so let me interject someone else into the mix (only because i have had a miserable summer and I love the abuse i get on this board).

What about Robichaux? Like I said above, i've been out of town for a few weeks. I get back yesterday, and my "source" tells me that we have lost a couple more baseball players. What gives? If we don't get close to the regionals next year, i think we need to start looking.

Ok. Let the abuse begin. _

Well who could replace the man who created baseball here at UL? (sarcasm off)

If we hover around .500 again next year in all four major sports we should clean house across the board. All four coaches would have to be replaced if the funds are there. Bustle, Lee, Rogers and Robe. It would take about 1.5 million to hire all new head coaches. I am sure we can find that somewhere from within our support system. Also that is where the RCAF will come into play as supplement income.