Usable UL names

[CajunCanaille]

I paid the Athletic Dept. a visit this week and questioned the name thing that is so often discussed on this board. Found out some interesting things. I discovered that the use of ULafayette, UL_L, UL, U of L, UL, Louisiana at Lafayette and Louisiana-Lafayette are all names banned by the university. The names that we are allowed to and do use are UL Lafayette, Louisiana Lafayette, Louisiana's, Ragin' Cajuns, and Cajuns. The "at" and the hyphen are both banned.

The above allowed names, including the use of "Lafayette" even when using "Louisiana Lafayette" make me believe that there is something we are missing when it comes to using just "Louisiana" w/o "Lafayette." I would imagine that it would be done if it could be done. The only thing I don't understand is why the use of UL_L is not allowed. Not that I like it or ever use it.

There was a thread on here that someone said that the Athletic Dept. is using letterhead that says Louisiana or UL on it and they are somewhat correct. I asked about it and was told that it all depends on who the letter is going to. Most official letterhead does not call us Louisiana or UL.

I guess this is the reason that Farmer stated in an email that we are the Ragin' Cajuns and that we would do our best to market the most unique name in sports. I'm sure this will not keep us from using the UL logo while hiding Lafayette somewhere on our uniforms.

Again, sorry for yet another name thread but I thought I would share my newly learned info.

[Turbine]

Curiously missing from either list . . .

LOUISIANA

Also if you are going to take drastic measures to push Ragin' Cajuns . . . why is the ethnic word Cajuns -by itself- acceptable?

[LSUConnMan]

I'm sure it's a matter of intellectual property protection. U of L immediately jumps out at me, as I think Louisville trademarked it. Either someone else already tm'd those terms, or the university feels if they start connecting them to the university, they won't be able regulate them or protect those names from other peoples' unauthorized usage.

If you go have time to waste, you can access all the registered trademarks, and research it thoroughly and report back with your findings.
http://www.uspto.gov/

[DestinCajun]

What's the best meat to use in a gumbo? Land meat, not sea meat.

[cajun tom]

_ I paid the Athletic Dept. a visit this week and questioned the name thing that is so often discussed on this board. Found out some interesting things. I discovered that the use of ULafayette, UL_L, UL, U of L, UL, Louisiana at Lafayette and Louisiana-Lafayette are all names banned by the university. The names that we are allowed to and do use are UL Lafayette, Louisiana Lafayette, Louisiana's, Ragin' Cajuns, and Cajuns. The "at" and the hyphen are both banned.

The above allowed names, including the use of "Lafayette" even when using "Louisiana Lafayette" make me believe that there is something we are missing when it comes to using just "Louisiana" w/o "Lafayette." I would imagine that it would be done if it could be done. The only thing I don't understand is why the use of UL_L is not allowed. Not that I like it or ever use it.

There was a thread on here that someone said that the Athletic Dept. is using letterhead that says Louisiana or UL on it and they are somewhat correct. I asked about it and was told that it all depends on who the letter is going to. Most official letterhead does not call us Louisiana or UL.

I guess this is the reason that Farmer stated in an email that we are the Ragin' Cajuns and that we would do our best to market the most unique name in sports. I'm sure this will not keep us from using the UL logo while hiding Lafayette somewhere on our uniforms.

Again, sorry for yet another name thread but I thought I would share my newly learned info. _

We should use only L, Louisiana, or Louisiana Ragin Cajuns. Nothing else.

[BeauCajun]

_ What's the best meat to use in a gumbo? Land meat, not sea meat.
_

I'll take them boat. You can even mix them up.

This is so much better than that wingy dingy thread.

[ULwarhawksRULE]

First off, I hope I don't get banned on my first post because I will admit y'all have a good board and have read for a while. Ok so if you want to really know what you can and can't call yourself.......here you go, read very carefuly!!!! and pay attention to sections III A., III B., III C., III D. (i'm not smart enough to figure out how to make bold)

Louisiana Legislative Act 45 (Senate Bill 843)
Senators: Cecil J. Picard and Armand J. Brinkhaus
Representatives: McDonald, McFerren, Montgomery, and Thompson

Policy and Procedures Memorandum Preface

Act 45 (Appendix A) of the 1995 Regular Session of the Louisiana Legislature (Senate Bill 843 by Picard and Brinkhaus, and Representatives McDonald, McFerren, Montgomery and Thompson) officially names the system of institutions under the supervision and management of the Board of Trustees for State Colleges and Universities the “University of Louisiana System.” The Act also authorizes the Board of Trustees and Board of Regents to approve the change of name of any university within the System to the “University of Louisiana at (its geographic location)” provided no less than two institutions make a request for and are approved to change the institutional names. In order to facilitate the provisions of Act 45, institutions shall adhere to the following guidelines:

I. Institutional Status
Each institution within the University of Louisiana System has a distinct character
based upon its role, scope, mission and the educational needs of the population it serves. The Southern Regional Education Board (SREB) and Carnegie classification systems shall be used to illustrate distinctions and differentiations among member institutions and shall not be used to imply explicitly or implicitly a hierarchy of member institutional rankings.


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NAME CHANGE POLICIES AND GUIDELINES
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There shall be no institution designated as the main (primary) campus for the University of Louisiana System. Any designation of or reference to a member institution as “flagship,” “lead,” “main,” or by other similar descriptors is prohibited.

II. Institution Name Change Procedure
Any university within the University of Louisiana System wishing to change its name
shall utilize the following procedure:

A. The university president shall appoint a study committee composed of representatives from the student body, staff, faculty, alumni and community (non-alumni) to assess the favorability of the name change for the institution. For Grambling State University, a procedure is prescribed in Louisiana Act 45 of 1995, Section 1.(e).

B. Following a favorable recommendation by the study committee, the president of the
university must submit a formal letter of application to the System office for Board of
Trustees approval. The application must be received at least 30 days prior to Board
meeting date. The application must be accompanied by the following:
1. evidence of support for the name change,
2. a plan for publicizing and marketing the name change,
3. copy of the proposed logo and/or seal (to be approved by the Board), and
4. a description of plans for publication and commercial use of the logo/seal
and name.

C. Following approval by the Board of Trustees, the request shall be submitted to the
Board of Regents.

III. University and System Name Guidelines
All institutions within the University of Louisiana System are to comply with the
following precepts and guidelines set forth to govern and coordinate the use of the University of Louisiana name and logo:

A. As previously stated, there is no main campus for the University of Louisiana
System. Any designation of or reference to a member institution as “flagship,”
“lead,” “main,” or other similar descriptor is prohibited.

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B. The use of the University of Louisiana System logo and/or the phrase “University of
Louisiana System” by an institution for commercial purposes or general use must
have prior approval by the Board of Supervisors for the University of Louisiana
System.

C. The use of the two-letter University of Louisiana abbreviation, “UL,” and/or the phrase “U of L” are prohibited by the university or any of its affiliated organizations (alumni associations, development foundations, bookstores, etc.). For academic, public relations, athletic, as well as other purposes not specified, the use of the University of Louisiana abbreviation must always include the abbreviation for the municipal location of the institution. For example, ULR is appropriate for University of Louisiana at Rayne.

D. All uses of the name “University of Louisiana” must be followed by the word “at” and the institution’s geographic location. No typographic variations within the name are permitted. The word “at” must be no less than 50% and the geographic location must not exceed 100% nor be less than 80% of the University of Louisiana name. Any institutional use of “University of Louisiana” without the “at” and geographic location is prohibited.

E. All institutions, whether or not their names are changed to the University of
Louisiana designation, must use the wording “A Member of the University of
Louisiana System” prominently on all stationery as well as on title pages of
university/college catalogs, magazines, newspapers, and journals.

F. Any adaptation of the University of Louisiana System logo and seal to university use
must be reviewed and approved prior to their use by the System office and the Board.

I'm not going to post the whole law, but this is really all anyone needs to know.

My Opinion: The problem is that there really is no such thing as the University of Louisiana. There is the University of Louisiana System with several equal constituent campuses. Louisiana-Lafayette is not more entitled to adopt the name than Louisiana-Monroe, Northwestern, or indeed any other constituent school in the University of Louisiana System. It is not the flagship school within the system. Officially no institution can use UL or University of Louisiana. Louisiana-Lafayette wants to use the UL label because of perceived prestige and marketing, and presumably for leverage with the legislature in funding requests. Unfortunately for U-L-L, it doesn't have the legal right or authority to use UL or "Louisiana." With respect to other university systems, as in University of North Carolina, University of Alabama, University of Arkansas, etc., those schools known as the University of ____, like UNC, are generally the oldest and original campuses of those systems, like LSU is within the LSU system. They aren't analogous to Louisiana-Lafayette whose attempt to use "Louisiana" is a completely artificial effort in trying to mislead the people of Louisiana as well as people from surrounding states into believing they are something in fact they are not. They are not a natural outgrowth of the institution's history and identity. Northwestern, McNeese, Southeastern, UL-Monroe were not made into institutuions as part of Louisiana-Lafayette they were its own seperate institution created around the same time as U.L.L. UL-Lafayette wants everyone to believe that after a hundred years of being a Regional school barely bigger than Southeastern, not close to LSU, Mississippi, Miss. State, Ark in enrollment....now all of a sudden they are now a Flagship? The State of Louisiana says not so fast

[CajunDreDog]

Sometimes I hate this state!

[Turbine]

_ First off, I hope I don't get banned on my first post because I will admit y'all have a good board and have read for a while. Ok so if you want to really know what you can and can't call yourself.......here you go, read very carefuly!!!! and pay attention to sections III A., III B., III C., III D. (i'm not smart enough to figure out how to make bold)


I'm not going to post the whole law, but this is really all anyone needs to know.

My Opinion: The problem is that there really is no such thing as the University of Louisiana. There is the University of Louisiana System with several equal constituent campuses. Louisiana-Lafayette is not more entitled to adopt the name than Louisiana-Monroe, Northwestern, or indeed any other constituent school in the University of Louisiana System. It is not the flagship school within the system. Officially no institution can use UL or University of Louisiana. Louisiana-Lafayette wants to use the UL label because of perceived prestige and marketing, and presumably for leverage with the legislature in funding requests. Unfortunately for U-L-L, it doesn't have the legal right or authority to use UL or "Louisiana." With respect to other university systems, as in University of North Carolina, University of Alabama, University of Arkansas, etc., those schools known as the University of ____, like UNC, are generally the oldest and original campuses of those systems, like LSU is within the LSU system. They aren't analogous to Louisiana-Lafayette whose attempt to use "Louisiana" is a completely artificial effort in trying to mislead the people of Louisiana as well as people from surrounding states into believing they are something in fact they are not. They are not a natural outgrowth of the institution's history and identity. Northwestern, McNeese, Southeastern, UL-Monroe were not made into institutuions as part of Louisiana-Lafayette they were its own seperate institution created around the same time as U.L.L. UL-Lafayette wants everyone to believe that after a hundred years of being a Regional school barely bigger than Southeastern, not close to LSU, Mississippi, Miss. State, Ark in enrollment....now all of a sudden they are now a Flagship? The State of Louisiana says not so fast _

At face value you are correct, without digging below the surface I agree with you.

However as with any merger -which is what the creation of the UL system was- the strongest or largest entity always gets top billing and the new creation takes on its personality.

In any other realm it would be the USL System . . . which would have cried out for a name change . . . University of Louisiana.

[RaginFan2]

_ First off, I hope I don't get banned on my first post because I will admit y'all have a good board and have read for a while. Ok so if you want to really know what you can and can't call yourself.......here you go, read very carefuly!!!! and pay attention to sections III A., III B., III C., III D. (i'm not smart enough to figure out how to make bold)


I'm not going to post the whole law, but this is really all anyone needs to know.

My Opinion: The problem is that there really is no such thing as the University of Louisiana. There is the University of Louisiana System with several equal constituent campuses. Louisiana-Lafayette is not more entitled to adopt the name than Louisiana-Monroe, Northwestern, or indeed any other constituent school in the University of Louisiana System. It is not the flagship school within the system. Officially no institution can use UL or University of Louisiana. Louisiana-Lafayette wants to use the UL label because of perceived prestige and marketing, and presumably for leverage with the legislature in funding requests. Unfortunately for U-L-L, it doesn't have the legal right or authority to use UL or "Louisiana." With respect to other university systems, as in University of North Carolina, University of Alabama, University of Arkansas, etc., those schools known as the University of ____, like UNC, are generally the oldest and original campuses of those systems, like LSU is within the LSU system. They aren't analogous to Louisiana-Lafayette whose attempt to use "Louisiana" is a completely artificial effort in trying to mislead the people of Louisiana as well as people from surrounding states into believing they are something in fact they are not. They are not a natural outgrowth of the institution's history and identity. Northwestern, McNeese, Southeastern, UL-Monroe were not made into institutuions as part of Louisiana-Lafayette they were its own seperate institution created around the same time as U.L.L. UL-Lafayette wants everyone to believe that after a hundred years of being a Regional school barely bigger than Southeastern, not close to LSU, Mississippi, Miss. State, Ark in enrollment....now all of a sudden they are now a Flagship? The State of Louisiana says not so fast _

Boy, you sure know how to do your research, don't you? First of all Southeastern's enrollment has just in the past decade or so exploded, due in large part to 2 major factors: first, the advent of selective admissions at schools such as LSU, UNO, & UL (Lafayette) pushed a number of students toward Hammond; and second, the population on the Northshore (especially St. Tammany & Tangipahoa parishes) has grown tremendously during the past decade. So SLU has just about caught up to us in enrollment. We have been in the 15-17k range for a long time, in part due to the implementation of said selective admissions.

Last I heard, LSU was in the upper 20's (close to 30k). Maybe in the past few years they've gotten back over 30k. So you're correct about us not being close to them. But, you are are off about the the other 3 - Ole Miss, Miss. State & Arkansas. Last I heard, we were bigger than all 3. I believe I recall that each of them was in the 10-15k range.

And who said anything about us saying we are a flagship? That is all coming from the critics. BTW, we didn't just "artificially" decide to call ourselves "University of Louisiana". In 1984, the state Board of Regents (predecessor of the UL System Board) officially changed our name to University of Louisiana (NO city tag). It didn't take long for the Huey Long crowd to get it overturned.

[ULwarhawksRULE]

Louisiana State University 30,017
University of Arkansas 19,194
Mississippi State University 17,824
University of Mississippi 17,546
University of Louisiana at Lafayette 16,199
University of Southern Mississippi 15,919
University of Southeastern Louisiana 15,224
Rest not even close (yes I know our enrollment isn't close to y'alls)

Yes, calling yourself the mythical terms "UL" or "Louisiana" you are in fact referring to yourself as a "lead" or "main" campus, which is why this part of the law is open to interpretation...Any designation of or reference to a member institution as “flagship,” “lead,” “main,” or by other similar descriptors is prohibited. I wish we would stop being so vagina-fied and start using louisiana on our uniforms as well like we did years ago.

[CajunCanaille]

The UL system is way too big. Especially when you have 2 schools (ULM & Tech) roughly 30 mins from one another.