2009 Enrollment

[RaginCajun2010]

Are they still offering classes in philosophy or are they shutting the entire program down. I know on ultoday it says getting a degree can no longer happen. Can someone clarify this?

[bballholic]

Damn, I know one of the Philosophy professors at UL. Strange bird, but very nice. I just read the article from the Advertiser and it appears they will still offer most of the Philosophy courses. It also stated this move will save very little money for the state. IF you are going to keep most of the classes and it isn't going to save much money, why not just keep it as is?

[CajunFun]

_ Are they still offering classes in philosophy or are they shutting the entire program down. I know on ultoday it says getting a degree can no longer happen. Can someone clarify this? _

They met this AM... the only Philosophy degree program in the UL System is gone.

[CajunFun]

_ Damn, I know one of the Philosophy professors at UL. Strange bird, but very nice. I just read the article from the Advertiser and it appears they will still offer most of the Philosophy courses. It also stated this move will save very little money for the state. IF you are going to keep most of the classes and it isn't going to save much money, why not just keep it as is? _

Good question. Best answer I've heard is that they wanted to be "fair," so everybody lost something.

They cut a little fat here, a little there. "Oh, UL, you're already the leanest program in the state? Well, we won't cut any fat, then.

"We'll remove an arm."

[CajunSaint]

_ Better Philosophy then something really important. A degree in philosophy will get on the day shift at Burger King.

"Remember, no human condition is ever permanent. Then you will not be overjoyed in good fortune nor too scornful in misfortune."
Socrates

In other words it ain't no big thing. _

pretty cavalier of you, no?

[BrockMeaux]

_ You speak as if this is the truth. What is truth? Is the sky blue? What if you are color blind.....ZZzzzzz _

Here's some philosophy for you...

Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

[RCAJUN90]

_ Here's some philosophy for you...

Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. _

That isn't Socrates or Aristotle etc.... Philosophy has no practical use. I had to take two classes of that garbage. I know it is a traditional offering for colleges but sorry I hated it. It would be the first thing I would cut.

Here's a good one..."If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expect"

Very useful stuff...

[Turbine]

_ That isn't Socrates or Aristotle etc.... Philosophy has no practical use. I had to take two classes of that garbage. I know it is a traditional offering for colleges but sorry I hated it. It would be the first thing I would cut.

Here's a good one..."If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expect"

Very useful stuff... _

Which school of thought do you prescribe to, the Platonic, Peripatetic, Epicurean, Stoic or some combination?

I find it is interesting to study for instance how Socratic thought (some say) had an influence on, Jewish and Christian teachings, namely that the soul is immortal.

[jazzpop]

_ Better Philosophy then something really important. A degree in philosophy will get on the day shift at Burger King.

"Remember, no human condition is ever permanent. Then you will not be overjoyed in good fortune nor too scornful in misfortune."
Socrates

In other words it ain't no big thing. _

[jazzpop]

RCACajun's statement is, unfortunately, only the second most moronic thing I've read today. The first is from a state legislator, whose name I missed. He said, in attempting to justify cuts to higher education, that too many kids were entering college and getting a degree, only to move out of state when comensurate jobs weren't available here. If more folks could access trade and technical schools, they could be trained for the jobs we had available here. Can't make this stuff up.

This must be the first time anyone has claimed that one of our major problems is too many educated people. Disciplines like philosophy, history, etc. are what differentiate between education and training. A chicken can be trained. Only human beings can be educated. For the first time, I really wonder if this state can ever make any progress.

[Turbine]

_ RCACajun's statement is, unfortunately, only the second most moronic thing I've read today. The first is from a state legislator, whose name I missed. He said, in attempting to justify cuts to higher education, that too many kids were entering college and getting a degree, only to move out of state when comensurate jobs weren't available here. If more folks could access trade and technical schools, they could be trained for the jobs we had available here. Can't make this stuff up.

This must be the first time anyone has claimed that one of our major problems is too many educated people. Disciplines like philosophy, history, etc. are what differentiate between education and training. A chicken can be trained. Only human beings can be educated. For the first time, I really wonder if this state can ever make any progress. _

Do you wonder where Louisiana would be today if that logic had prevailed say 100 years ago?

Louisiana's Governor (1904-1908) Newton Crain Blanchard, a graduate of the Seminary of Learning came to UL early in his term as Governor and so much as stated "there was to much book learning going on."

I posted that in 2003 not thinking history would repeat itself. The then Governor used lack of state funds as an excuse to get students out of the classroom and into manual training.

[TuffGuy84]

I'm very saddened by the removal of this program. A few years ago when I was in school, I was forced to take a philosophy class for my degree. I went into it very negative thinking that it would be some boring drab that I was being forced to go through just to attain my degree. I was there for Dr Triggs first semester, and needless to say, the class and the information I got from the class floored me. My only regret is that I took the philosophy class so late in my degree plan, that I wasn't able to squeeze any more philosophy classes into my schedule.

[CajunNation]

This is happenning because this state doesn't have the guts or the wisdom to do what should have been done after Katrina/Rita.......

CLOSE SOME SCHOOLS

[RCAJUN90]

_ RCACajun's statement is, unfortunately, only the second most moronic thing I've read today. The first is from a state legislator, whose name I missed. He said, in attempting to justify cuts to higher education, that too many kids were entering college and getting a degree, only to move out of state when comensurate jobs weren't available here. If more folks could access trade and technical schools, they could be trained for the jobs we had available here. Can't make this stuff up.

This must be the first time anyone has claimed that one of our major problems is too many educated people. Disciplines like philosophy, history, etc. are what differentiate between education and training. A chicken can be trained. Only human beings can be educated. For the first time, I really wonder if this state can ever make any progress. _

What is moronic to one man is pure genius to another. I suspect I'm not the only one that hated philosophy. I'm just the only one brave enough to say it. They executed Socrates.

[Clutch0364]

_ What is moronic to one man is pure genius to another. I suspect I'm not the only one that hated philosophy. I'm just the only one brave enough to say it. They executed Socrates. _

Why did the execute Socrates? Oh because he wasn't a sheep like some people were. If more people weren't sheep this country wouldn't be in the shambles it is right now.