Robert Lee APR since 2004-05

[Turbine]

Robert Lee APR Each Year since 2003-04

Year_	Act.	Pos.	APR for single year	Influential Years	HistoricalAPR for years of Influence
2003-2004	32	39	.821	none	none
2004-2005	36	42	.857	none	none
2005-2006	25	37	.676	1) 2003-04	.821
2006-2007	42	43	.977	2) 2003-05	.840
2007-2008	42	42	*1.000	3) 2003-06	.788
2008-2009	42	42	*1.000	4) 2003-07	.839
2009-2010	42	42	*1.000	4) 2004-08	* .884
2010-2011				4) 2005-09	* .921
2011-2012				4) 2006-10	* .994

Actual divided by Possible = APR

* Years 07-08, 08-09 and 09-10 are expectations based on David Walker's press release.

Since schools self report the APR data they know long in advance what the following year will bring.

The NCAA releases the APR for the previous year at the end of the school year. Meaning at the time just prior to the release, schools have a TWO year lead on what to expect.

First historical APR began in 2008-09 as it was the first year to use the 4 year rolling window even though it is two years delayed.

As you can see even a 1.000 in 2008-09 won't quite get UL to the required .925 average is would hope to operate under in 2009-2010

While the 2007-08 APR is known to UL and David Walker, the NCAA will not release the numbers till May of 2009. Meaning UL will operate under those numbers in 2009-10

To understand where UL is in real time move the 2 columns farthest right up 2 cells.

APR Data came from 1st 4 pdf files:
http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/apr2004/671_2004_apr.pdf
http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/apr2005/671_2005_apr.pdf
http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/apr2006/671_2006_apr.pdf
http://web1.ncaa.org/app_data/apr2007/671_2007_apr.pdf

More APR info can be found at:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=7611
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=14559 )
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/Misc_..._Directive.pdf

[Turbine]

In his 7 years at UL Evans had 44 different players go through his program. 6.3 a year.

In his 5 years at UL Lee has had 42 different players go through his program. 8.4 a year.

This includes the players they inherited and non scholarship players.

Evans was not good in this department by any means but Lee's 8.4 is about as bad as you can possibly get. It represents at least a 50% turnover rate every year.

When you consistently have this kind of turnover over a 5 year period the coach was the problem not the players.

Just to show you how high the number is, before APR the NCAA wanted schools to average 4 new players a year.

[anhil8tor]

So what does this mean?

[TuffGuy84]

_ Great Point, was that looked at by Walker... HELL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO _

Acctually, I heard it was, but then he heard a squeeky toy and saw some jiggling car keys and he started clapping his hands uncontrollably.

[bjc6267]

_ In his 7 years at UL Evans had 44 different players go through his program. 6.3 a year.

In his 5 years at UL Lee has had 42 different players go through his program. 8.4 a year.

This includes the players they inherited and non scholarship players.

Evans was not good in this department by any means but Lee's 8.4 is about as bad as you can possibly get. It represents at least a 50% turnover rate every year.

When you consistently have this kind of turnover over a 5 year period the coach was the problem not the players.

Just to show you how high the number is, before APR the NCAA wanted schools to average 4 new players a year. _

Wow that statistic is really surprising. It seemed like Lee brought in much higher character players than some of Evans' recruits. Not sure how he'll get that number down this year.

[CajunZ1]

LOL, nice

Acctually, I heard it was, but then he heard a squeeky toy and saw some jiggling car keys and he started clapping his hands uncontrollably.

igeaux.mobi

[Turbine]

_ So what does this mean? _

It means based on APR performance Walker should have fired Lee after 2005-06

It means the APR job was handled so incredibly bad not even 3 perfect APR years would be enough to right the ship.

It means the problem was of his own making and the praise Lee received in Walker's press release was not warranted. Unless Walker had a hand in 2005-06

It means only by 2005-06 rolling completely off the 4-year penalty docket will the blatant disregard for the student athlete that took place in 2005-06 be corrected.


When UL basketball scored a .6757 for 2005-2006 . . . Why didn't (?) the school and the NCAA say 'Get ready. All UL sports will be banned from post season play in 2010.'

There has to be a loophole. If UL basketball can post a perfect score this year and next that will be 3 perfect years. Add that to the 2005-06 score of .6757 and you have 3.676 divided by 4 for an APR average score of .920.

.920 is "5" below the NCAA mandated .925

An easily projectable number way back in 2006 so why didn't the NCAA say get ready 'Get ready."

What is the loophole?

[CajunFun]

_ When UL basketball scored a 683 for 2005-2006

Why didn't (?) the school and the NCAA say 'Get ready. All UL sports will be banned from post season play in 2010.'

There has to be a loophole. If UL basketball can post a perfect score this year and next that will be 3 perfect years. Add that to the 2005-06 score of .6757 and you have 3.676 divided by 4 for an APR average score of 9.20.

.920 is "5" below the NCAA mandated .925

An easily projectable number way back in 2006 so why didn't the NCAA say get ready 'Get ready."

What is the loophole? _

Turb,

Is it like this?

2009-2010 - not much wiggle room
2008-2009 - possibly perfect
2007-2008 - perfect
2006-2007 - ??

So 2005-2006 shouldn't enter into the current calculations??

Maybe after you go too low, you have four years? I dunno.

[rhineaux]

_ Turb,

Is it like this?

2009-2010 - not much wiggle room
2008-2009 - possibly perfect
2007-2008 - perfect
2006-2007 - ??

So 2005-2006 shouldn't enter into the current calculations??

Maybe after you go too low, you have four years? I dunno.

Actually, I believe it's a rolling 4-year average thing. So, the 08/09 academic year will be the 4th of a series that began with 05/06, the 1st of a series that will end with 11/12, and the 3rd of a series that began 06/07.

[anhil8tor]

A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down?

[CajunNation]

It means based on APR performance Walker should have fired Lee after 2005-06

It means the APR job was handled so incredibly bad not even 3 perfect APR years would be enough to right the ship.

It means the problem was of his own making and the praise Lee received in Walker's press release was not warranted. Unless Walker had a hand in 2005-06

If Walker had a hand in '05-'06, he should be let go along with Lee.

We fired the last A.D. for mishandling a hire. We should fire this A.D. for mishandling the A.P.R. issue, if that is the case.

If Walker did have a hand in the bad numbers, it would only be fair to fire him for that, as this fiasco is much more detrimental to the department than anything Nelson did.

Don't you agree?

[ManAboutTown]

If this school could find an A.D. with half a brain, we could be so much more than I think even fans realize. Dave Braine (former AD) at Va Tech has laid out the blue print for a school like us, and was followed by Jim Weaver (another guy with a clue). A town, school, population, enrollment, and fanbase of comparable proportions; and they burst onto the national scene 20 years ago. Goes to show what leadership can do for ya.