Robert Lee APR since 2004-05

[USLJim]

_ Well, I've had time to sit back and digest the Basketball decision. At first, I was disappointed that our Officials decided to retain Lee. I still feel like Universities have to be prepared for situations such as this, and put aside enough CASH to expect Buyouts , which are a common occurance, especially around here. BUT, after considering their point of View, and the possibility of a BIG APR Hit, I am forced to agree with their decision.

Now, that does NOT mean i agree with this un-democratic process that the Almighty NCAA has decided to bestow on Universities. Just another example of trying to over-manage an individual and public institutions. Why on earth, does the NCAA feel like they MUST force an individual to remain in school, or remain at a particular school ? Last time i checked, this was a Free country, with Rights bestowed upon us by our forefathers.

If an athlete decides to move on, by all means , Let them go. Why does the NCAA feel the need to force anybody to do anything when it comes to a personal decision ? I do understand some of the implications when it comes to scholarships, so i would agree that the athlete should suffer some consequence for notliving up to their agreement,but, the institution should not be penalized into forcing an Individual to do anything beyond their will.

There has to be other alternatives to discourage transfers, many of which i can think of, but my main point is the NCAA has taken this APR thing way too far. Who inthe He--, do they think they are ?

I think it's time for another sactioning body to try to compete with the NCAA, and offer Conferences the right to choose among them. This is the only way that we can retain some voice , or choice. Because of the current Iron Grip that the Almighty NCAA has on UL and all Universities, I have to agree with the decision by our Athletic Dept. But, it is a SAD day for College Athletics. _

DOES ANYONE KNOW OF ANY OTHER COLLEGES OR UNIVERSITY PROGRAMS ON THIN ICE LIKE ULL IS . I AM VERY CURIOUS AS TO HOW WE GET IN THESE PREDICAMENTS AND I DON'T HEAR ABOUT OTHERS.

THANKS

GEAUX CAJUNS.

[Turbine]

_ I thought the APR was designed to keep programs from running off a bunch of players as some coaches werre prone to do.

You are right again. My term was made up the NCAA term is “run-offs”

[wcd35]

OK, the beginning of this thread started well and is very important. Like Turbine mentioned, even with a perfect year, we would be under 925. Parrott mentioned this too.

Josh said that the official scores are a year behind and the 07-08 scores will be released soon.

The question I have is, when do penalties come into effect. Wouldn't we be subject to penalties now? Do they start a 4 year watch period after a low score?

It sounds somewhat like from what Josh was saying, that when the 08-09 scores come out, we want to be perfect with a 09-10 score to show that we are not having any issues with APR. It almost sounds subjective to some extent and that we would maybe appeal a decision or bring this forward if there was some hearing.

My main thing is when and how does the NCAA draw the line on penalties and when they are enforced? I'm missing something since we have been below 925 on a 4 year average for a while now.

Parrott, if you read this, please enlighten...

[Turbine]

Josh said that the official scores are a year behind and the 07-08 scores will be released soon.

Since the schools are self reporting and it is an easy formula to figure out the scores, David Walker already knows UL's score for the historical period 2004_05 - 2007_08

He also has a very good indication what the score will be for the 4 year period of 2005_06 - 2008_09

AND if 2008_09 comes in like he is expecting he knows that in 2009_10 UL can score as low as .727 and not hurt basketball or any other sport.

He knows the full range of possibilities for the historical period 2006_07 - 2009_10 and danger to the other programs is not one of them no matter who the coach is.

[wcd35]

Now does the NCAA evaluate for penalties every year? If so, did we avoid them for the last couple of years?

[Turbine]

Now does the NCAA evaluate for penalties every year? If so, did we avoid them for the last couple of years?

Yes every year based on the previous 4 years. Basketball has suffered penalties.

[wcd35]

_ Yes every year based on the previous 4 years. Basketball has suffered penalties. _

Ok, I gotcha now. So it sounds like if there is a drop off in performance, that's where a larger penalty would come from.

[scotto_25]

Does anyone know or can anyone name a Division I school who has been penalized by the APR? In other words are there any other schools prohibited from going to the post season?

[rhineaux]

_ Yes every year based on the previous 4 years. Basketball has suffered penalties. _

The other afternoon on Ryckman's show, Parrott was saying something about the program not only having to achieve a good APR score this year (08-09), but that they also had to post another good score in 09-10, or else they would still face penalties. Does anyone know what this is about? If a school's APR is judged on 4 year rolling averages, then why is a 5th year being worked in?

[Turbine]

I updated the chart in post 1 hopefully it explains things better.

Bottom line is, if UL was going to be penalized in the post season for all sports it would have happened already.

We are currently living under
2003-04 - Evans
2004-05 - Lee
2005-06 - Lee
2006-07 - Lee

The 2007-08 numbers while already known for almost a year will officially be release by the NCAA in May.

It is important to note that every day that 2007-08 was being compiled in the classroom; it was virtually pushing 2003-04 off the books.

While there is a 2 season delay between when the numbers are created and their effect on the program, as we read 2008-09 is virtually pushing 2004-05 off the books.

Next year 2009-10 will erase the effects of the very bad year of 2005-06.

Not much needs to happen good in 2009-10 if all the players make the grade as many as 11 could transfer without any historical repercussions to the school when that particular years historical period begins. It is not that easy however as 3 perfect APR years would need to follow.

What could happen in 2009 with zero consequences . . . is 3 players could transfer and UL would still score a satisfactory .928 with a historical score of .976 when that year’s historical phase kicks in 2 years later.

[DestinCajun]

_ DOES ANYONE KNOW OF ANY OTHER COLLEGES OR UNIVERSITY PROGRAMS ON THIN ICE LIKe UL IS . I AM VERY CURIOUS AS TO HOW WE GET IN THESE PREDICAMENTS AND I DON'T HEAR ABOUT OTHERS.

THANKS

GEAUX CAJUNS. _

Go to the NCAA APR ratings site.
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=329

The U. of LaTextsers@Ruston is dealing with a basketball scholarship loss (maybe more) due to an APR penalty.