Rogers or Lee??

[VObserver]

_ All depends on your definition of the "biggest loser". I define the biggest loser as the one who had a much bigger program, rich with a history of success, with a load of fans, with many years in the system, with his own choice of players, and whose performance has a greater impact on the well-being of UL's athletic perception among its totality of followers... and has failed. _

If that's the case, we should fire Tony Robichaux. [Note my tongue is firmly in cheek].

Seriously, Rogers has done to women's basketball what Baldwin did to football. Fortunately, one or two good classes well coached can fix basketball. I don't make a choice. I bite the bullet and fire both, even if I have to cut the football budget to do it. Improved attendance in MBB will pay for both firings; and improved perception of the program as a whole will help all sports.

[Just1More]

_ If that's the case, we should fire Tony Robichaux. [Note my tongue is firmly in cheek].

Seriously, Rogers has done to women's basketball what Baldwin did to football. Fortunately, one or two good classes well coached can fix basketball. I don't make a choice. I bite the bullet and fire both, even if I have to cut the football budget to do it. Improved attendance in MBB will pay for both firings; and improved perception of the program as a whole will help all sports. _

You are right... both Lee and Rogers have earned a pink slip by any other program in the country's yardstick... but if you had to choose which one to do first... the bigger impact is with the MBB program. There is no room for debate in my mind.

[VObserver]

_ You are right... both Lee and Rogers have earned a pink slip by any other program in the country's yardstick... but if you had to choose which one to do first... the bigger impact is with the MBB program. There is no room for debate in my mind. _

So as AD, I fire both and put my boosters on the hook for more money. If they don't fork over, I hire whoever I can.

They'll fork over.

[Just1More]

_ So as AD, I fire both and put my boosters on the hook for more money. If they don't fork over, I hire whoever I can.

They'll fork over. _

Boosters will not just fork over for coaching "changes". They will fork over in view of a system that guarantees improvement in that process. The admin is on the hook for creating and revealing that process... first. You are right, however... the admin "maintains" a system where boosters will not fork over... so the admin "allows itself" to hire whoever the admin "can".

[CajunT]

_ So as AD, I fire both and put my boosters on the hook for more money. If they don't fork over, I hire whoever I can.

They'll fork over. _

If you hire whoever you can, they won't fork over. They are not forking over right now on the larger scale. Hiring a bargain coach at this time simply fills the position for several years, until you have to make the change again. Ultimately, you have accomplished nothing but a few more wins.

[CajunT]

_ I just remember Wright Waters in a radio interview state he was going to pressure (or something similar) the Sun Belt athletic departments to quit relying so heavily on the JC route.

It was soon after that interview that the big ONLY HS recruiting route for Ragin' CAjuns basketball was made public.

Right or wrong I put the 2 together. _

Either he did or he didn't. In this case, your conclusion is wrong.

[raginsaints]

Lee, you gotta fix men's bball first.

[rhineaux]

_ If you hire whoever you can, they won't fork over. They are not forking over right now on the larger scale. Hiring a bargain coach at this time simply fills the position for several years, until you have to make the change again. Ultimately, you have accomplished nothing but a few more wins. _

This is the epitome of the "got to spend money to make money" phrase.

[VObserver]

_ If you hire whoever you can, they won't fork over. They are not forking over right now on the larger scale. Hiring a bargain coach at this time simply fills the position for several years, until you have to make the change again. Ultimately, you have accomplished nothing but a few more wins. _

Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough, my intent is fire both, hire quality replacements and put boosters on the hook.

[zephyr]

_ Good logic.

I just have a problem with rewarding the biggest loser.

Under the scenario of this thread I also would be more lenient on Lee because I feel the administration forced him into going the failed HS only route. This was basically starting the program over from scratch, a very immature move.

I think that is part of why they would give him a 2 year extension which was based in part on the failure of the rest of the Sun Belt West. _

First of all, the HS route is not what has killed this program. The biggest problems we've had on the team in recent memory have come from JUCO and transfer players such as Roberson, Stephen Dees, Ed Turner and such, not from the HS players we've recruited which have now turned into the nucleus of our team such as Daigle, Gary, Bureau and Gradnigo. I think that logic is dead wrong...Sorry. Also, you are not "rewarding" Rodgers with anything at all if you get rid of Lee and not him. You are simply paying him for one year of service with a notice that he is next if he continues on this path with the current team.

[zephyr]

_ Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough, my intent is fire both, hire quality replacements and put boosters on the hook. _

I'm sure that is the sentiment from the entire fanbase here. I just posted this question to see what the breakdown would be but a good day in cajun land would be to fire both, officially open the RCAF for business and begin the search for qualified applicants in both programs.

[Turbine]

_ First of all, the HS route is not what has killed this program. The biggest problems we've had on the team in recent memory have come from JUCO and transfer players.

A program is a plan or system. If you declare you are going to go the High School route you don't abandon it the year after you declare it to be your new program.

You can't swing back and forth link a pendulum without creating voids and still call it a "program"

The old program was JuCo and UL had success with it. The new program was supposed to be the HS route it killed the JuCo program. It lasted a year the new JuCo program killed the HS program.

You can’t survive with a pendulum of 1 year programs.

[CajunProud]

_ A program is a plan or system. If you declare you are going to go the High School route you don't abandon it the year after you declare it to be your new program.

You can't swing back and forth link a pendulum without creating voids and still call it a "program"

The old program was JuCo and UL had success with it. The new program was supposed to be the HS route it killed the JuCo program. It lasted a year the new JuCo program killed the HS program.

You can’t survive with a pendulum of 1 year programs. _

You are correct, but the problem is not in going the HS route itself, but in being able to COACH up the HS talent.


At this point, I could care less what UL does. Keep them both, fire them both, it really doesn't matter. Until we get the RCAF going, we will continue to be what we are and that is a mediocre mid major in a bad conference. I am tired of banging my head against a wall that does not appear to be showing signs of cracking any time soon.

[Damon]

I just remember Wright Waters in a radio interview state he was going to pressure (or something similar) the Sun Belt athletic departments to quit relying so heavily on the JC route.

It was soon after that interview that the big ONLY HS recruiting route for Ragin' CAjuns basketball was made public.

Right or wrong I put the 2 together.

Not intended to blast you, Turbine, but Wright Waters and his "recommendations" can take a flying leap at my sss.

[HoustonCajun]

_ Since the public really never sees or hears from David Walker, I'll make an (un)educated guess that Scott Farmer is the de facto athletic director now. So why put off the inevitable? We've waited for decades to get the ship launched, so let's raise anchor and christen the thing already! _

It is time to get rid of the old relics in the athletic department. David Walker agreed to stay on through Dr. A's retirement even though he wanted to retire earlier. It is now time for Farmer to take over and people like Walker and LeBas to retire. They are just too tied to the old regime's ways of doing things. We need new blood, new leadership, and a changing of the guard in athletics.