Butch Pierre

[Turbine]

My criteria:

Last stop winning head coaching experience. Preferably DII or DIII


igeaux.mobi

[LsuULfan]

_ My criteria:

Last stop winning head coaching experience. Preferably DII or DIII


igeaux.mobi _

Not sure coming from that level you bring the necessary recruiting ability. I know they have to recruit and work hard to do it-but different level of players. Think you are better off with a Felton or a Pierre or more likely an up and coming asst from a D1 program.

[4LSU]

In all honesty, I sorta felt bad for Butch.

Butch did some good things for us and I both thank him for his effort and wish him well, but , right or wrong, I was in the camp that wanted a experienced HC who had proven himself a tad in a respected basketball conference. It might come back to bite me in the butt, but I didn't think we could go with an unproven guy as Butch at this time.

Is there a dilemma for your administration, even with the understanding that football and basketball were at different levels when the past changes were made, in releasing a coach working in his 4th yr who has made the post season with a .470 winning percentage and keeping a coach headed into his 8th season with a .390 winning percentage and no post season play. I'm no expert on the SBC, but isn't it generally viewed as a stronger basketball conference than football? I'm not suggesting what needs to be done, but looking with an uneducated eye and wondering.

Whatever the direction your powers that be decide on, good luck.

[Cajunsmike]

_ Not sure coming from that level you bring the necessary recruiting ability. I know they have to recruit and work hard to do it-but different level of players. Think you are better off with a Felton or a Pierre or more likely an up and coming asst from a D1 program. _

I agree with the Turbine philosophy. If the guy is winning at another level, he is showing coaching ability. You hire good recruiters as assistants to supplement that guy and you move your program forward. Taking assistants from high level D1 programs with more resources is not necessarily a good fit here. That was the philosophy for hiring whe Nelson Schexnayder was AD. That is not the philosphy of the current athletic administration. I am not saying either is right or wrong-just that they are different. If folks haven't noticed, Southland Conference basketball is on par with the SBC this year. Taking someone from that league is not that much of a step down.

[Cajunsmike]

_ Butch did some good things for us and I both thank him for his effort and wish him well, but , right or wrong, I was in the camp that wanted a experienced HC who had proven himself a tad in a respected basketball conference. It might come back to bite me in the butt, but I didn't think we could go with an unproven guy as Butch at this time.

Is there a dilemma for your administration, even with the understanding that football and basketball were at different levels when the past changes were made, in releasing a coach working in his 4th yr who has made the post season with a .470 winning percentage and keeping a coach headed into his 8th season with a .390 winning percentage and no post season play. I'm no expert on the SBC, but isn't it generally viewed as a stronger basketball conference than football? I'm not suggesting what needs to be done, but looking with an uneducated eye and wondering.

Whatever the direction your powers that be decide on, good luck. _

Basketball will have it's fourth consecutive non winning season this year while football has had one losing season in the last four. That is why there is not as much frustration with football as there are with basketball. I don't think the administration sees a dilemna as a result. Therefore There are a lot of reasons for the basketball struggles that are not necessarily related to Robert Lee's coaching ability. However, he is the man ultimately responsible and he of course has to bear the criticisim as a result.

[jllanclos]

As much as it pains me to say it, Turbine is spot on....this time

[AstroCajun]

_ As much as it pains me to say it, Turbine is spot on....this time _

And as much as it pains me to say it, I wish basketball season was over already so these discussions can be more than just theoretical.

[CajunCanaille]

_ Not sure coming from that level you bring the necessary recruiting ability. I know they have to recruit and work hard to do it-but different level of players. Think you are better off with a Felton or a Pierre or more likely an up and coming asst from a D1 program. _

I'm on board with you. Getting a guy from a lower level is just a step up from getting a guy from high school. D 1 basketball is a different animal. I would prefer an up and coming D1 asst. Whether that's Pierre or not is another question.

Here is a section of his profile. This gets me onboard for Pierre.

"Pierre has made a mark in coaching everywhere he has set up shop. He has also built and established a reputation throughout the country of turning losing into winning at each institution he has worked at throughout his career."

I don't know about you but we fall under this category.

Link:
http://www.okstate.com/ViewArticle.d...&Q_SEASON=2008

[Cajunsmike]

_ I'm on board with you. Getting a guy from a lower level is just a step up from getting a guy from high school. D 1 basketball is a different animal. I would prefer an up and coming D1 asst. Whether that's Pierre or not is another question.

Here is a section of his profile. This gets me onboard for Pierre.

"Pierre has made a mark in coaching everywhere he has set up shop. He has also built and established a reputation throughout the country of turning losing into winning at each institution he has worked at throughout his career."

I don't know about you but we fall under this category.

Link:
http://www.okstate.com/ViewArticle.d...&Q_SEASON=2008 _

Getting a guy from the Southland Conference is completely different than getting someone from high school. A Southland conference team (Northwestern State) beat Big Ten contender Iowa in the NCAA tourney in 2006. A guy who has succeeded in the Southland will likely do so in the Sun Belt.

[Just1More]

When it happens... I'd like to see this athletic department do a national search (and include Butch Pierre and others) just to see how we are different from the past. This would be an indication of overall seriousness towards our major athletics programs. We have to consider what it will take to retain and improve our current players' attitudes along with our desire for a really solid coach. I'm just not in the mood anymore for long term program building hype and the "wait til next year" philosophy.

I want it good and I want it now! I deserve it!