Savoie on the Budget Cuts

[Boomer]

_ North Carolina also has double the population of Louisiana and I'm going to assume significantly more funding for education. Louisiana has far too many four year universities for a state with under 4.5 million people. _

the whole point was to cut the number of docs. and masts. programs and still create a lil geographical link---doubt that the state would close colleges but maybe merge JCs with them at LC and Monroe and others!!!!!This also allows for competition which has proven to work!!!!!

[Just1More]

_ mais huh? (smiles wide that show the copenhagen between my teeth)

couldn't have said it better myself even if i tried.. ( i am ) bil

ps. are we seeing the same fervor.. thru emails and calls to those 3 guys, the newspapers, talk shows, etc etc etc... that were vocalizing their displeasure of the indy bowl decision.. to say "don't cut money" from "the school they represent" - - - ????

naahh i don't think so.. _

Head of Knuckle... the Indy incident affected UL alone. Our local representatives acted on our behalf... as they should (get it?... local representation). The budget cuts for higher education are state-wide... they even hit LaTech... does "your" fervor have you vocalizing "your" displeasure with the Copenhagen-toting toothless representatives from Tech-land? (chuckling, snickering... grinning with a full set of bright white shiny teeth)

[LSUConnMan]

_ The flagship concept is readily accepted everywhere? Every state has one flagship? I wonder how that statement would go over at Ole Miss and Mississippi State, Florida and Florida State, Texas and Texas A & M? Maybe in Arkansas. How about in Alabama? Think Auburn would have a problem with that? Nah...its a concept that works everywhere, right? All I can say is wow! _

Are you serious? Ole Miss or MSU? Texas or A&M? UF or FSU? I challenge you to find any person in any of those states that will tell you MSU, A&M, or FSU is the state's flagship. The only state in the country where you could possibly find a gray area is California or Virginia. Even then, it would be difficult to find people that will tell you UCLA, not Berkeley is the Flagship, or in VA, UVA's a great school, but William and Mary's the unknown.

As for North Carolina, UNC is THE school. Be it an NC resident, or any other potential student, and that's the primary target...if you attend another state school, it's only because UNC rejected you.

[LSUConnMan]

_ There are, in fact, only two states that have adopted the 'Flagship' model; Louisiana and Arkansas. Two states that rank last and next to last in darn near every educational measurement you can think of. It's not a coincidence.

Alabama, almost as small in population as Louisiana, and MUCH poorer in resources, has as many 4 year public schools as Louisiana [give or take a couple, I counted 12 and stopped] and MORE than Arkansas, but NO flagship; yet Auburn, Alabama and UAB are all above LSU and Arkansas academically.

That's not an accident, either. _

That's incorrect, after Phillip Austin left Bama, he brought the concept to Connecticut. After the model was instituted there, the university went from a bottom tier institution, to the top public school in New England and a first tier university in a matter of 5 years.

Emmert took the concept from Connecticut and brought it to LSU, whose national reputation has improved significantly in the last 10 years, and he's continued to pursue the concept in Washington (which for some reason has garnered resentment from the WSU people)

The concept works, and has been adopted by far more than two states....and in every state, there's bound to be resentment from the "other" schools. The reality of the matter is, higher ed is a zero sum game.

[Just1More]

_ Are you serious? Ole Miss or MSU? Texas or A&M? UF or FSU? I challenge you to find any person in any of those states that will tell you MSU, A&M, or FSU is the state's flagship. The only state in the country where you could possibly find a gray area is California or Virginia. Even then, it would be difficult to find people that will tell you UCLA, not Berkeley is the Flagship, or in VA, UVA's a great school, but William and Mary's the unknown.

As for North Carolina, UNC is THE school. Be it an NC resident, or any other potential student, and that's the primary target...if you attend another state school, it's only because UNC rejected you. _

Not true... both Texas AND aTm are considered flagship universities in Texas. "Flagship university" is not necessarily a title granted to only one institution in a state. It was generally held that the land grant universities were tagged with the flagship status in many states... although it is normal that the largest public institution in a state gets tagged as the "flagship"... many times it refers to the primary named institution that has sites spread across the state. It is a loosely used term. Louisiana state legislators use it for self-assisting "needs" in the state of Louisiana.

The issue is not so much "flagship" or not... it is whether a state underminds its own public colleges and universities in order to prop up only one. My aunt was a medical professor at a leading institution (not in Louisiana). She told me that in was widely held in academic circles that Louisiana choked its state university institutions in order to advance LSU in national rankings. It is a disservice to the state of Louisiana... and we pay for it. But... we do get some national championships out of it!!!!!! And that is... after all... what it's all about!!!

Have no fear... there is little chance of things getting any better in this state. And, like most UL students... I could have gone to any Louisiana state school... and chose UL... and chose correctly.

[BeauCajun]

_ Now that is good.

A simultaneous compliment and excoriation depending on your vantage point. _

You're good. Definitely the latter.

[Hammer58]

_ That's incorrect, after Phillip Austin left Bama, he brought the concept to Connecticut. After the model was instituted there, the university went from a bottom tier institution, to the top public school in New England and a first tier university in a matter of 5 years.

Emmert took the concept from Connecticut and brought it to LSU, whose national reputation has improved significantly in the last 10 years, and he's continued to pursue the concept in Washington (which for some reason has garnered resentment from the WSU people)
The concept works, and has been adopted by far more than two states....and in every state, there's bound to be resentment from the "other" schools. The reality of the matter is, higher ed is a zero sum game. _

What a surprise! Don't those people understand the concept of "knowing their place"?

[Turbine]

. . .the concept would be called "Flagships Agenda." The entire concept that Emmert took from UConn and pursued at LSU was founded on the concept that stratification of public institutions is necessary, if a state wants a nationally recognized institution. As opposed to just a bunch of random and unselective institutions that teach kids. . . .

This is nothing new.

I can assure you the concept "started" in Louisiana decades ago with Huey P. Long.

It just took someone else to come up with a name for it and easily sell the perfect fit back to Louisiana.

[awadelewis]

As for North Carolina, UNC is THE school. Be it an NC resident, or any other potential student, and that's the primary target...if you attend another state school, it's only because UNC rejected you. _

Definitely not. Take it from someone who was grew up in NC, only alumni of UNC-CH have that view of the Chapel Hill campus of the UNC. It goes by programs; you want to be lawyer, doctor, or historian, then UNC-CH (and equally Duke or Wake Forest but we're limiting ourselves to the state schools) is the leader while the people who want to be engineers, chemists, and such go to NC State.

On top of that, the UNC system (which consists of all state-owned four year institutions of higher learning) doesn't starve the other campuses in the system in favor of the original campus (doesn't matter if you're UNC-Asheville, UNC-Wilmington, UNC-Charlotte, UNC-Pembroke, AppState, Western Carolina, W-S State, NC A&T, ...).

If you're going to compare higher education in NC vs. our system here in LA, then you have to consider it as a counterexample to the "Flagship" crap instead of supporting that idea.

[awadelewis]

One more point on this topic:
Both UL and LSU supporters need to work together with our legislature to fix the state constitution so that higher education and health care isn't the only thing that gets nuked when the state has to tighten the budgetary belts. This affects the entire state; only public safety, IMO, should have higher priority than these two items when it comes time to decide what gets cut and what doesn't.

[cajunfan96]

_ One more point on this topic:
Both UL and LSU supporters need to work together with our legislature to fix the state constitution so that higher education and health care isn't the only thing that gets nuked when the state has to tighten the budgetary belts. This affects the entire state; only public safety, IMO, should have higher priority than these two items when it comes time to decide what gets cut and what doesn't. _

The bottom line is UL is about to get it broken off in the arse! We need to do all we can to soften the blow! This will not be pretty Guys! Contact your elected officials!

[RiverRanchMan]

_ There are, in fact, only two states that have adopted the 'Flagship' model; Louisiana and Arkansas. Two states that rank last and next to last in darn near every educational measurement you can think of. It's not a coincidence.

Alabama, almost as small in population as Louisiana, and MUCH poorer in resources, has as many 4 year public schools as Louisiana [give or take a couple, I counted 12 and stopped] and MORE than Arkansas, but NO flagship; yet Auburn, Alabama and UAB are all above LSU and Arkansas academically.

That's not an accident, either. _

Alabama & Louisiana have nearly identical populations & average per capita incomes. Alabama education expeditures are comparable to LA. The problem in LA is the number of Universities. Another university would have to emerge as a "flagship" school and none of the "other" schools in the state are going to back down.