Savoie on the Budget Cuts

[cajun4life]

_ All I can say is wow! That's quite possibly the stupidest statement I have ever heard from someone that holds a phD? If there was supposed to be 2 or 3 flagship institutions, the concept would be called "Flagships Agenda." The entire concept that Emmert took from UConn and pursued at LSU was founded on the concept that stratification of public institutions is necessary, if a state wants a nationally recognized institution. As opposed to just a bunch of random and unselective institutions that teach kids. This is also a concept that is readily accepted everywhere, and supported by the reality that every state has 1 flagship.

The fact this state happily funds so many additional schools that can't possibly be justified, almost makes it poetic that a mindset exists that stratification of institutions is somehow un-Louisianan. _

So Texas with its 3 flagship universities doesn't work right? or California's multi-flagships don't work either.

[Hammer58]

_ “with the strong support of powerful LSU backers on and off the Board,”

Names? How do you know they were LSU backers or even powerful? Didn’t the previous paragraph say administrators at other schools were against it? Yet only the LSU chancellor gets mentioned as opposing the change.

“Judge Brown was an alumnus of LSU, and an active supporter of that school, he did not recuse himself from the case despite this apparent conflict of interest. “

Would it been ok if a Southern grad would have made the ruling? I would bet that 80% of the judges in Louisiana are LSU Law School grads and the other 20% from Southern, Tulane or Loyola. The only judges without an alleged conflict of interest would have to be educated out of state. I am sure one was available but how practicle was that.

“UL Lafayette (“LOUISIANA”), similar to UC Berkeley (“CALIFORNIA”), UT Knoxville (“TENNESSEE”), UA Fayetteville (“ARKANSAS”), UNC Chapel Hill ("NORTH CAROLINA"), and UT Austin (“TEXAS”), among others, is the largest and oldest of the schools that share the same name.”

Wrong. All of the above are flagship universities of their respective systems in addition to being the oldest and original, except UL-Lafayette. Since there is no official flagship university of the UL system there is no “Louisiana”. But we can pretend! _

Care to show us where that law is written? Or are you just pretending and it is just one of your "man-laws"?

As for those against it, William Jenkins of LSUA&MC was most vocal about it. He publicly expressed his opposition stating his fear that we would ask for a medical or law school. Guess he didn't want to give up that monopoly on power in the state; you know, having large numbers of lawyers or doctors that were alumni of another state university with no ties to LSUA&MC. The LSUA&MC Alumni Association also ran radio ads locally stating that people pushing the UL name change "were trying to hurt LSU" and urging listeners to contact their legislators to voice opposition.

[Hammer58]

_ You forgot to ad BR to LSUA&MC while attempting to be facetious. Nobody beyond readers on this message board know what the hell you’re talking about so I will amuse you. You are right, you don’t blame LSU for all your problems. But it does get comical at times how LSU gets brought into a conversation. _

I didn't add the BR because its not part of their official name. I want to be accurate since official names seem to be so important to you defenders of the flagship who want to make sure we know our name and, apparently, place. You are only partially correct about no one beyond this board knowing that their name is LSUA&MC. The actual alumni of that institution know it. It’s all the tanktop-wearing bandwagon jumpers who spend all their time telling us to know our place that have no clue. Now since you've already stated that you didn't go to State but are so vociferous in lecturing us in which category does that put you?

[Turbine]

Here we go again making assumptions about the causes for state problems and low & behold, LSU is at fault. . . . We really don’t have any university that can be considered well funded.

IN 1967 LSUS was opened.

IN 1970, LA Tech changed to its current name

Motive? _

You bring up one of the later examples that happened before the current Constitution went into effect. I am pretty sure LSU followed the letter of the Law in establishing the Shreveport school. But it does have bearing on why "We really don’t have any university that can be considered well funded."

Make no mistake LSU had been at that game for years, not always on the up and up.

HN2 La. Const. art. 4, § 14 required a two-thirds vote of the members elected to the Legislature in order to establish an educational institution other than those existing in Louisiana in 1921.

LSU is directly responsible for the vast majority of the redundant universities in this state.

Establish and abandon was often the method used. In opposition to HN2 La. Const. art. 4, § 14 LSU was able to establish 2 new schools through opposite means. In one they dumped assets to establish a new University. In the other they took donation of a school boards assets to do so. In both cases to greater or lesser extents they did an end around of HN2 La. Const. art. 4, § 14 of the former Louisiana Constitution.

[Boomer]

_ The worst part about all of this is that I've spent money and time to support the Cajuns throughout the years. I have no problem going to catch a UL-Lafayette baseball, football, or basketball game to cheer on the Cajuns as long as it doesn't conflict with LSU. I must admit, the hatred on this board makes me not want to do so in the future. I've had some great times catching Cajun baseball games in the past and was planning on going to some weekday games this upcoming season. _

And you are an alumnus of what university?????

[Boomer]

_ I have read the UL “Name Battle” many times. It is misleading and full of assertions rather than facts. Once again blaming LSU. Not much is mentioned about the other universities crying foul, is there? If I remember, every university in the state had an issue with it. _

If I remember correctly the vote was 100% by the UL system schools for the name change of USL to UL!!!!!

[Hammer58]

_ If I remember correctly the vote was 100% by the UL system schools for the name change of USL to UL!!!!! _

Not quite. The Lake Chuck representative (Newman) and Monroe rep (Swearingen) oppossed it. Of course, it was funny that later when Swearingen took over at moanroe he tried to use the UL name.

[HoustonCajun]

_ Not quite. The Lake Chuck representative (Newman) and Monroe rep (Swearingen) oppossed it. Of course, it was funny that later when Swearingen took over at moanroe he tried to use the UL name. _

It worked for Northeast Louisiana as it got them a name change to ULM and admittance to the SBC. And, the beginning of identity misery for UL.

[Hammer58]

_ It worked for Northeast Louisiana as it got them a name change to ULM and admittance to the SBC. And, the beginning of identity misery for UL. _

It may have worked out that way for them but it wasn't part of any master plan by them. Their opposition to the name change and eventual agreement to the subsequent standards put in place were two entirely different issues with different circumstances driving their actions.

[MissingMandy]

_ “with the strong support of powerful LSU backers on and off the Board,”

Names? How do you know they were LSU backers or even powerful? Didn’t the previous paragraph say administrators at other schools were against it? Yet only the LSU chancellor gets mentioned as opposing the change.

“Judge Brown was an alumnus of LSU, and an active supporter of that school, he did not recuse himself from the case despite this apparent conflict of interest. “

Would it been ok if a Southern grad would have made the ruling? I would bet that 80% of the judges in Louisiana are LSU Law School grads and the other 20% from Southern, Tulane or Loyola. The only judges without an alleged conflict of interest would have to be educated out of state. I am sure one was available but how practicle was that.

“UL Lafayette (“LOUISIANA”), similar to UC Berkeley (“CALIFORNIA”), UT Knoxville (“TENNESSEE”), UA Fayetteville (“ARKANSAS”), UNC Chapel Hill ("NORTH CAROLINA"), and UT Austin (“TEXAS”), among others, is the largest and oldest of the schools that share the same name.”

Wrong. All of the above are flagship universities of their respective systems in addition to being the oldest and original, except UL-Lafayette. Since there is no official flagship university of the UL system there is no “Louisiana”. But we can pretend! _

Why does this matter to you?

[bballholic]

_ And you are an alumnus of what university????? _

I'm an alumnus of LSU, but I do quite a bit of work in the Lafayette area. My family owns an oil company in Lafayette, and I'm in the business as well. If I'm around town and the Cajuns are playing, I see nothing wrong with attending a few games regardless of what school I attended. My father in-law played baseball at UL (USL at the time), and I've made several bball games with him over the years. I have a lot of good friends that have also attended UL, and I've gone to basketball and football games over the years if LSU isn't playing at the same time. Personally, I have season tickets for LSU football and basketball, and split a set of baseball tickets with an attorney out of Lafayette. I'm a huge fan of collegiate athletics in general, and I enjoy visiting different venues.

[RaginFan2]

_ Not quite. The Lake Chuck representative (Newman) and Monroe rep (Swearingen) oppossed it. Of course, it was funny that later when Swearingen took over at moanroe he tried to use the UL name. _

Hammer, I think he was referring to the board vote, not the subsequent move by the legislature to overturn it.