Dunlap and Rogers Quit Playing for Errol Rogers

[Cajunfever]

_ Let me say again, coaches get extensions for going .500!!! I think average shouldn't get rewarded, I guess we differ in that assessment. _

With annual reviews being conducted in the corporate world at this time of the year, a "Meets Expectations" is the most common outcome. Usually, only 20% of employees gets an "Exceeds Expectations". From the definition of "Meets Expectations", that means average. Based on what you said above, that person should not expect a raise. Only the people in the "Exceeds" category should get a raise. In the corporate world, the "Meets" will get a raise. The "Exceeds" will get a bigger raise. The "Below" will be lucky to keep the job.

The question is would you rate Coach Lee a "Below average"?

[CajunZ1]

_ Let me say again, coaches get extensions for going .500!!! I think average shouldn't get rewarded, I guess we differ in that assessment. _

He got an extension for 3 reasons:

1. When he got the contract, it was the last year of his previous contract (I think), so either he gets an extension or we hire a new coach.

2. We weren't going to fire him. He salvaged a share of the West title and appeared to be "on the brink" of something big (so far, so not good).

3. Not giving him an extension (or only giving him a year) would have severely hampered any recruiting efforts. Other coaches can easily use another coach's contract situation against him.

It's the same thing for Bustle. How stupid would it be if our AD came out and said, "Bustle must win 7 games to keep his job." All of a sudden some of our better commitments would be getting calls from other schools saying "you don't want to play for a lame duck coach, blah blah blah."

The AD's job is to always make the athletic department seem stable, even when it's not.
Then at the end of the year take appropriate action.

[MetryCajun]

_ Does anyone else see a trend of under qualified coaches getting hired with crazy long contracts who get extensions for winning 50% of the games? I think David Walker needs the fire turned up on his a*s, he his HORRIBLE!!!! _

The Women's coach is in his second year. He has 2 years left. Four years is a standard contract. He will be fired after his 4th year. I will be even more ____ed if they buy him out. It's womens basketball, this is not the prize UL athletics is after.

[MetryCajun]

_ He got an extension for 3 reasons:

1. When he got the contract, it was the last year of his previous contract (I think), so either he gets an extension or we hire a new coach.

2. We weren't going to fire him. He salvaged a share of the West title and appeared to be "on the brink" of something big (so far, so not good).

3. Not giving him an extension (or only giving him a year) would have severely hampered any recruiting efforts. Other coaches can easily use another coach's contract situation against him.

It's the same thing for Bustle. How stupid would it be if our AD came out and said, "Bustle must win 7 games to keep his job." All of a sudden some of our better commitments would be getting calls from other schools saying "you don't want to play for a lame duck coach, blah blah blah."

The AD's job is to always make the athletic department seem stable, even when it's not.
Then at the end of the year take appropriate action. _

Good post. The adminitration (wrongly) bought in to Lee's youth movement. Once they did that they had to let him coach these young guys up. It now looks like the Universities faith in Lee will not be rewarded, but in my opinion they did the right thing.

Both of these coaches have painted themselves into a corner, it will be interesting if they can get themselves out.

[Turbine]

The Women's coach is in his second year. He has 2 years left. Four years is a standard contract.

If I recall correctly ... Prior to coach Hall the program only issued year to year contracts. The success of coach Hall changed that.


igeaux.mobi

[Turbine]

The adminitration (wrongly) bought in to Lee's youth movement. Once they did that they had to let him coach these young guys up.

I was under the impression the youth movement was imposed on Lee.

igeaux.mobi

[VObserver]

_ The Women's coach is in his second year. He has 2 years left. Four years is a standard contract. He will be fired after his 4th year. I will be even more ____ed if they buy him out. It's womens basketball, this is not the prize UL athletics is after. _

WRONG!!! WRONG!!!! WRONG!!!!

If we are going to play a sport, we want to be competitive. That does not mean paying exorbitant salaries we can't afford, but it DOES mean cutting our losses on a VERY bad hire.

I don't care about baseball, tennis or golf. BUT if we are going to play them, they need to be treated exactly like any other sport when it comes to demanding performance. No sport should be sponsored by the school if it isn't going to be taken seriously when it succeeds or when it fails.

[cajun4life]

_ The Women's coach is in his second year. He has 2 years left. Four years is a standard contract. He will be fired after his 4th year. I will be even more ____ed if they buy him out. It's womens basketball, this is not the prize UL athletics is after. _

Your right it's only women's basketball, but at the same token had Coach hall stayed here you would start to see a much larger following. If we can find a coach who can get us to 20 wins and post season play for a decade or so then you will see larger attendance figures.

Rogers need to be fired! Period! We need to go out and hire a top assistant from a power program and start a winning tradition here in women's basketball. We need an all around solid athletic department and right now we only have Softball as a bright spot.

[MetryCajun]

_ WRONG!!! WRONG!!!! WRONG!!!!

If we are going to play a sport, we want to be competitive. That does not mean paying exorbitant salaries we can't afford, but it DOES mean cutting our losses on a VERY bad hire.

I don't care about baseball, tennis or golf. BUT if we are going to play them, they need to be treated exactly like any other sport when it comes to demanding performance. No sport should be sponsored by the school if it isn't going to be taken seriously when it succeeds or when it fails. _

There are 4 sports at UL that people actually watch. Those 4 need to be treated differently than the rest. We had an NCAA team 2 years ago in WBB and nobody other than family and friends went. For that reason I do not think we should be buying out contract in those sports.

I have a feeling we are not going to agree on this subject.

[shof]

_ WRONG!!! WRONG!!!! WRONG!!!!

If we are going to play a sport, we want to be competitive. That does not mean paying exorbitant salaries we can't afford, but it DOES mean cutting our losses on a VERY bad hire.

I don't care about baseball, tennis or golf. BUT if we are going to play them, they need to be treated exactly like any other sport when it comes to demanding performance. No sport should be sponsored by the school if it isn't going to be taken seriously when it succeeds or when it fails. _

I couldn't agree more! Every coach in every sport needs to be held accountable. If, as Mr Farmer states, we have lots of support (funding wise in the community); then we need to send a message that this type of performance, both on the court, and off the court (ladies leaving the program) will not be tolerated. And the ladies BB program is in a severe nose dive!
Shof

[Turbine]

There are 4 sports at UL that people actually watch. Those 4 need to be treated differently than the rest. We had an NCAA team 2 years ago in WBB and nobody other than family and friends went. For that reason I do not think we should be buying out contract in those sports.

I have a feeling we are not going to agree on this subject.

The game was at 3 in the afternoon on a workday.

I agree it would take several years of sustained success to develop a true fan support system.
igeaux.mobi

[CajunAmos]

There are 4 sports at UL that people actually watch. Those 4 need to be treated differently than the rest. We had an NCAA team 2 years ago in WBB and nobody other than family and friends went. For that reason I do not think we should be buying out contract in those sports.

I have a feeling we are not going to agree on this subject.

I will say a fan following starts small and builds. In Coach Halls last year, I attended a number of the games, and the stands in EKL Gyn were full. I agree with a couple of earlier opinions, in that if you show continued progress toward excellence you'll gain a consistant audience, and that if you are going to have a sport you support it at the University level. This means you fund it, and pay the associated coaches, to at least the average of your conference members.

When Coach Hall left, it was noted (I think here, Turbine) that it was approved by DrA that our offer to him was raised to what Cincinnati was offering (about $200K, I think). If that's the case, my thinking is you should be able to get an assistant HC from a higher level womens basketball program for that salary. From the outside it seems that we've taken a step back. It's hard to see a program for your school who was possibly the worst in womens college basketball for a decade or longer, and had progressed enough to get an at large invitation to the NCAA tournament, and two years later being back at the bottom of the barrel.