Bustle!!!

[RaginRash]

If you don't like what you got fire him regardless of pay, and if you like him you need to make sure that he is not starving so that a hamburger looks like a rib-eye. _

Many times you see folks complain about not being able to find anyone to fill a position but when you look at the peanuts being offered, its easy to see why no one wants to take the job.

[GetTheFacts1st]

_ We lost a pretty good defensive secondary coach a couple of years ago to the Houston Cougars. He liked it here but he had to think about his family and could not pass up the increase in money. At the moment I'm at a loss for his name... (Jennnings?). _

Everyone needs to realize that all assistant coaches play the musical chairs game, no matter the size of the program. They work at the pleasure of the head coach, who may or may not be a horses butt and they constantly move to enhance their resume and improve their knowledge. The depth of any head coaches' horses-butt mentality and the assistant's network of friends and peers usually dictates his frequency of moving. Since most of them are ADD , they are hard to hold down in one place anyway. Also, there are more of them than available top jobs, which makes it easy for a head coach to move em in and out so quickly. To think we will ever attract and keep a stable full of top assistants at any price is unrealistic and if we think we will keep top assistants when the majors can't do it is even more pie in the sky reasoning. As for giving someone a raise for doing thier job, make sure performance consistentcy is present before doing that. Consistent 6-6, 5-7, 7-5 records meets expectations and warrants no raise. Consistent 8-4, 9-3, 10-2 seasons EXCEED expectations and DO warrant a raise.

Getting back to the original 1st post in this thread, its author needs to find something better to do with his time than be critical of those he cannot control. Sadly, he has a history of undermining the staff and administration with his negative rants, and would probably not be pleased if Jesus Christ came back and coached the football team. When he donates a FULL 10% of his INCOME to his favorite football and track sports, then maybe more peeps will listen to those rants. Those putting their money where their mouth is have credibility, and they have a better shot at a reserved, deserved, and bonafide spot in the __________e_r_'s bleachers. If we listened and reacted to every other former Cajun walk-on with similar negative rants, we'd really be in bad shape.

[cajun4life]

_ Everyone needs to realize that all assistant coaches play the musical chairs game, no matter the size of the program. They work at the pleasure of the head coach, who may or may not be a horses butt and they constantly move to enhance their resume and improve their knowledge. The depth of any head coaches' horses-butt mentality and the assistant's network of friends and peers usually dictates his frequency of moving. Since most of them are ADD , they are hard to hold down in one place anyway. Also, there are more of them than available top jobs, which makes it easy for a head coach to move em in and out so quickly. To think we will ever attract and keep a stable full of top assistants at any price is unrealistic and if we think we will keep top assistants when the majors can't do it is even more pie in the sky reasoning. As for giving someone a raise for doing thier job, make sure performance consistentcy is present before doing that. Consistent 6-6, 5-7, 7-5 records meets expectations and warrants no raise. Consistent 8-4, 9-3, 10-2 seasons EXCEED expectations and DO warrant a raise.

Getting back to the original 1st post in this thread, its author needs to find something better to do with his time than be critical of those he cannot control. Sadly, he has a history of undermining the staff and administration with his negative rants, and would probably not be pleased if Jesus Christ came back and coached the football team. When he donates a FULL 10% of his INCOME to his favorite football and track sports, then maybe more peeps will listen to those rants. Those putting their money where their mouth is have credibility, and they have a better shot at a reserved, deserved, and bonafide spot in the __________e_r_'s bleachers. If we listened and reacted to every other former Cajun walk-on with similar negative rants, we'd really be in bad shape. _

I see you edited your post it was edited for you. Either way, in what way do you feel that one single individual can undermind a college coaching staff? Whats funny here is that you hide behind a screen name on a message board, proclaiming that supporters and former athletes have no room to _____ about ____ poor performances without donating 10% of thier income. Thats funny, as a season ticket holder, and a person who has donated my personal time to help out with events such as fan day, track meets, stadium cleanup and other events when called upon. Could I donate 10% of my income to football or track, no, but I have in the past convinced certain people to donate equipment to the track program that were well over $1000 in value.

You will need more than 19 post before your POV is even valid.

[zephyr]

_ I think YOU said the staff is extremely underpaid. If that is the case, and if they can get better pay, but would prefer to stay if paid fairly, then your comment about spot improvement makes no sense. I am saying by any logic good or bad performance being underpaid will not get as good or better candidates. If you don't like what you got fire him regardless of pay, and if you like him you need to make sure that he is not starving so that a hamburger looks like a rib-eye. _

Huh? Where are you going with this? When you compare our program to ALL of the other programs in the country, our staff is underpaid. Now, if it was in our budget in the past to pay well, then we would have done so. So, from a very general point of view, they are underpaid. That doesn't, however, mean that we have to go out giving raises for "spot production" unless we see a trend of success and high level of play on the field. It seems as if we play poorly for a brief period and everyone wants to boot the staff, we play well for a period (and its long overdue) and everyone wants to pay more and more. You have to see a quality product on the field for a longer period of time before it gets my endorsement. Bustle has been here 7 years and this program has been inconsistent at best. Now, if we had put a magical Tulane season from a decade ago together or a Boise St. season, I could see rewarding them drastically. I'm not saying you wait 3 years for a raise, I'm just saying give it more time.

[Cajun Express]

_ Huh? Where are you going with this? When you compare our program to ALL of the other programs in the country, our staff is underpaid. Now, if it was in our budget in the past to pay well, then we would have done so. So, from a very general point of view, they are underpaid. That doesn't, however, mean that we have to go out giving raises for "spot production" unless we see a trend of success and high level of play on the field. It seems as if we play poorly for a brief period and everyone wants to boot the staff, we play well for a period (and its long overdue) and everyone wants to pay more and more. You have to see a quality product on the field for a longer period of time before it gets my endorsement. Bustle has been here 7 years and this program has been inconsistent at best. Now, if we had put a magical Tulane season from a decade ago together or a Boise St. season, I could see rewarding them drastically. I'm not saying you wait 3 years for a raise, I'm just saying give it more time. _

I understand your POV. I guess I am saying if I want to compete and my employee is extremely underpaid, even to most high school jobs, then I have to raise the base regardless of the perceived quality of the coach. So we have to find the scratch which is why the RCAF is 20 years behind the money curve, but we still have to find the scratch.

[DestinCajun]

_ I understand your POV. I guess I am saying if I want to compete and my employee is extremely underpaid, even to most high school jobs, then I have to raise the base regardless of the perceived quality of the coach. So we have to find the scratch which is why the RCAF is 20 years behind the money curve, but we still have to find the scratch. _

It's kinda like comparing what La. pays teachers vs what Tx. pays teachers as a way of explaining why so many more La. teachers move to Texas to teach instead of the other way around.

That has nothing to do with how they perform in the classroom which is a separate matter altogether which IMO is more Zephyr's issue.

[RaginFan2]

_ It's kinda like comparing what La. pays teachers vs what Tx. pays teachers as a way of explaining why so many more La. teachers move to Texas to teach instead of the other way around.

That has nothing to do with how they perform in the classroom which is a separate matter altogether which IMO is more Zephyr's issue. _

You're right, it is 2 separate issues. I think you can raise their pay without it being a "reward" for mediocrity. You can call it a cost of living adjustment.

[Cajun Express]

_ It's kinda like comparing what La. pays teachers vs what Tx. pays teachers as a way of explaining why so many more La. teachers move to Texas to teach instead of the other way around.

That has nothing to do with how they perform in the classroom which is a separate matter altogether which IMO is more Zephyr's issue. _

Last time I checked we had a lot of coaches we wanted to retain moving to Tx, Fl, and such. The way they see it is they need to be paid closer to the going rate.

I just do not subscribe to the idea that paying a teacher more makes them a better teacher, but paying better teachers more definitely makes keeping them in the fold a lot easier.

For the past several years we have been WAY out of the money loop, and to believe you are going to get better coaches, recruiters, and coordinators with less money is just plain STUPID. Not saying you won't get a diamond in the rough, but don't count on finding too many like that.

Now to this staff? If you think they do not deserve a pay raise, fire them, and be prepared to bring in somebody who you think deserves the pay raise that you will absolutely have to pay in order to get most of them.

I understands Zephyr's issue, I think it is wrong minded. The issue is not should we reward THIS crew, but we must reward any crew we think deserves to be here.

[RaginFan2]

I understands Zephyr's issue, I think it is wrong minded. The issue is not should we reward THIS crew, but we must reward any crew we think deserves to be here. _

Again, I don't see this as an issue about "reward". I think it is about "keeping up with the Joneses" or, more accurately, "catching up to the Joneses". I see this as a necessity to keep from falling further and further behind. Many on this board talk about wanting to be competitive at the D1-FBS level, but then squawk when we discuss the need to raise the coaching staff's pay. Like some others here have said, "you gotta pay to play" (at least to play competitively)!

[Hammer58]

_ Last time I checked we had a lot of coaches we wanted to retain moving to Tx, Fl, and such. The way they see it is they need to be paid closer to the going rate.

I just do not subscribe to the idea that paying a teacher more makes them a better teacher, but paying better teachers more definitely makes keeping them in the fold a lot easier.

For the past several years we have been WAY out of the money loop, and to believe you are going to get better coaches, recruiters, and coordinators with less money is just plain STUPID. Not saying you won't get a diamond in the rough, but don't count on finding too many like that.

Now to this staff? If you think they do not deserve a pay raise, fire them, and be prepared to bring in somebody who you think deserves the pay raise that you will absolutely have to pay in order to get most of them.

I understands Zephyr's issue, I think it is wrong minded. The issue is not should we reward THIS crew, but we must reward any crew we think deserves to be here. _

Nor will you likely keep them around for long even if you do find them. I think we have a couple on staff right now. We need to keep them. that is why we need to increase the salaries. Like you said earlier, if you lose these guys you are gong to have to pay more for their replacement and there is no guarantee that the replacement will be as good much less better than the coach you lost.