What factors determine consistency?

[CajunRage]

"There will always be next year". Is anyone else ever going to get tired of hearing that?

[Just1More]

I think it is perfectly acceptable to air your disappointment over a less than stellar year in baseball. Coming up with a "yep, that's the final answer" response is beyond anyone on here, as to why our team floundered this year. Robe probably has a good idea... just a good idea. He does not and will not give that complete explanation to us. It isn't his job to tell us... it is his job to correct it as best he can.

Talking about the individual student athletes on here is not right, beyond looking at the stats and observed play on the field. They cannot for the most part, defend themselves against these character accusations. "Observing" certain behaviors does not tell the story. I don't think it happened with UL this year, but this talk about our players having a bad attitude in the dugout and not being "go getters"... that can be, I said can be, a coaching issue. ORRRRR, it could be team chemistry... a reaction to competition within the group... a dominant group of slackers that brings everyone down... a bunch of head cases... or one dominant one... many things tank a team.

To the contrary, LSU had a seriously loaded team of talent... extremely young guys, but talented... to start this year. It was not expected, but who knew, that they would unfold into a really polished team later in the year. One of Paul Mainieri's good friends (former college baseball player himself), is a friend of mine. He asked Paul "what happened"? Mainieri told him it was as much a surprise to him as everyone else. He said he knew exactly when it happened, but had no idea why. The attitude and confidence of the team turned on a dime. He said he actually knew that from that point forward, it would be extremely difficult to beat LSU... but he really did not know why. He said, "all I know is that I do not want to get in its way".

The UL team had talent. I think it's got some problems with certain talent, without question. But, who in the heck knows why they never really came together as a team. If the coach has done and is doing his job, then it's the personality of the team as a whole that takes over. More than likely, no one, or group of players, came forward as recognizable, respected, and consistent leaders to the group. The coach searches for ways to make that happen... but it is an experiment that he never really has a complete handle on... and selected players who you try to assist into leadership, do not always take it.

It really sucks for fans who want to find a "smoking gun" for our mediocre baseball season... but figuring this out is an art we fans will never perfect. I do believe, however, some of you need to cut out the specific calling out of individual student athletes. I could give a crap how knowledgable you are about baseball, the players, or how many times you inspected their garbage... you do not have enough information, and never will, to be targeting a specific athlete and making complete character evaluations on here. Whether you agree or not... keep it off the board... save it for your buddy during nickel beer wisdom night.

[cajunbaseball1]

_ I think it is perfectly acceptable to air your disappointment over a less than stellar year in baseball. Coming up with a "yep, that's the final answer" response is beyond anyone on here, as to why our team floundered this year. Robe probably has a good idea... just a good idea. He does not and will not give that complete explanation to us. It isn't his job to tell us... it is his job to correct it as best he can.

Talking about the individual student athletes on here is not right, beyond looking at the stats and observed play on the field. They cannot for the most part, defend themselves against these character accusations. "Observing" certain behaviors does not tell the story. I don't think it happened with UL this year, but this talk about our players having a bad attitude in the dugout and not being "go getters"... that can be, I said can be, a coaching issue. ORRRRR, it could be team chemistry... a reaction to competition within the group... a dominant group of slackers that brings everyone down... a bunch of head cases... or one dominant one... many things tank a team.

To the contrary, LSU had a seriously loaded team of talent... extremely young guys, but talented... to start this year. It was not expected, but who knew, that they would unfold into a really polished team later in the year. One of Paul Mainieri's good friends (former college baseball player himself), is a friend of mine. He asked Paul "what happened"? Mainieri told him it was as much a surprise to him as everyone else. He said he knew exactly when it happened, but had no idea why. The attitude and confidence of the team turned on a dime. He said he actually knew that from that point forward, it would be extremely difficult to beat LSU... but he really did not know why. He said, "all I know is that I do not want to get in its way".

The UL team had talent. I think it's got some problems with certain talent, without question. But, who in the heck knows why they never really came together as a team. If the coach has done and is doing his job, then it's the personality of the team as a whole that takes over. More than likely, no one, or group of players, came forward as recognizable, respected, and consistent leaders to the group. The coach searches for ways to make that happen... but it is an experiment that he never really has a complete handle on... and selected players who you try to assist into leadership, do not always take it.

It really sucks for fans who want to find a "smoking gun" for our mediocre baseball season... but figuring this out is an art we fans will never perfect. I do believe, however, some of you need to cut out the specific calling out of individual student athletes. I could give a crap how knowledgable you are about baseball, the players, or how many times you inspected their garbage... you do not have enough information, and never will, to be targeting a specific athlete and making complete character evaluations on here. Whether you agree or not... keep it off the board... save it for your buddy during nickel beer wisdom night. _

EXACTLY! These kids playing AMATEUR baseball work very hard day in and day out. I don't think theres anyway we can come on here and bash them no matter what it may look like to the average fan in the seats. We aren't in their dugout or locker room all year. We don't know what happens. Baseball games are probably 1/4 of the time these guys spend together/workout/practice and most of us make maybe 10 games a year so that by no means qualifies us to criticize their ''lack of heart''.

[CajunT]

_ I think it is perfectly acceptable to air your disappointment over a less than stellar year in baseball. Coming up with a "yep, that's the final answer" response is beyond anyone on here, as to why our team floundered this year. Robe probably has a good idea... just a good idea. He does not and will not give that complete explanation to us. It isn't his job to tell us... it is his job to correct it as best he can.

Talking about the individual student athletes on here is not right, beyond looking at the stats and observed play on the field. They cannot for the most part, defend themselves against these character accusations. "Observing" certain behaviors does not tell the story. I don't think it happened with UL this year, but this talk about our players having a bad attitude in the dugout and not being "go getters"... that can be, I said can be, a coaching issue. ORRRRR, it could be team chemistry... a reaction to competition within the group... a dominant group of slackers that brings everyone down... a bunch of head cases... or one dominant one... many things tank a team.

To the contrary, LSU had a seriously loaded team of talent... extremely young guys, but talented... to start this year. It was not expected, but who knew, that they would unfold into a really polished team later in the year. One of Paul Mainieri's good friends (former college baseball player himself), is a friend of mine. He asked Paul "what happened"? Mainieri told him it was as much a surprise to him as everyone else. He said he knew exactly when it happened, but had no idea why. The attitude and confidence of the team turned on a dime. He said he actually knew that from that point forward, it would be extremely difficult to beat LSU... but he really did not know why. He said, "all I know is that I do not want to get in its way".

The UL team had talent. I think it's got some problems with certain talent, without question. But, who in the heck knows why they never really came together as a team. If the coach has done and is doing his job, then it's the personality of the team as a whole that takes over. More than likely, no one, or group of players, came forward as recognizable, respected, and consistent leaders to the group. The coach searches for ways to make that happen... but it is an experiment that he never really has a complete handle on... and selected players who you try to assist into leadership, do not always take it.

It really sucks for fans who want to find a "smoking gun" for our mediocre baseball season... but figuring this out is an art we fans will never perfect. I do believe, however, some of you need to cut out the specific calling out of individual student athletes. I could give a crap how knowledgable you are about baseball, the players, or how many times you inspected their garbage... you do not have enough information, and never will, to be targeting a specific athlete and making complete character evaluations on here. Whether you agree or not... keep it off the board... save it for your buddy during nickel beer wisdom night. _

Well Stated!

[Dad04]

Excellent post just1more. LSU probably had more new players this year that had been drafted, than any team in the country. Manieri rolled the balls out and they jelled in 30 games. My point about Army was extreme, but to the point that leadership is no cure all.

[CajunRage]

Cajunbaseball1... While we are trying to make valid points, you are looking for anything you can to insult those people posting on this board.

The original post about Nolan Gisclair was stating that the team's attitude to start the season was overconfident. Nolan's remarks (whether quoted completely accurate or not) were brought up to back up the statement that this team overlooked a competitive conference schedule. When that overconfidence was popped in the jaw, the lack of leadership emerged and resulted in this past season.

My comment about partying after the game was a personal opinion about lack of passion for the game. It is my own opinion. I could not have brought myself to go out and party after losing two to UNO when we were in the driver seat and had no shot at an at-large bid.

We were plenty talented this year, but so were most of the teams we played. Good teams find a way to win. We never came up with the big hit or defensive play. Hell, everyone in the stands held their breath every time a ball was hit on the infield. This team was too talented to put up such a poor showing.

Dad04... I will never say that girl scouts with good leadership can win the college world series. You have to have the talent. This program has gotten to the point where we get the talent. The missing link is the leadership/attitude/swagger whatever you want to call it.

I am fully behind this program and have spent 20 of my 23 years sitting in those stands watching the game I love. I would have given everything I had to wear that uniform. Tony has built a program where we expect to win.

Hopefully this feeling festers during the offseason and we come out with a bang. I will be renewing my season tickets as soon as possible and will begin my 21st year of Cajun baseball next spring.

[Dad04]

_I would have given everything I had to wear that uniform.

Buy your tickets. Drink till you are blind and quit stalking players....or I'll sic Guillory on ya

[cajunbaseball1]

_ Cajunbaseball1... While we are trying to make valid points, you are looking for anything you can to insult those people posting on this board.

The original post about Nolan Gisclair was stating that the team's attitude to start the season was overconfident. Nolan's remarks (whether quoted completely accurate or not) were brought up to back up the statement that this team overlooked a competitive conference schedule. When that overconfidence was popped in the jaw, the lack of leadership emerged and resulted in this past season.

My comment about partying after the game was a personal opinion about lack of passion for the game. It is my own opinion. I could not have brought myself to go out and party after losing two to UNO when we were in the driver seat and had no shot at an at-large bid.

We were plenty talented this year, but so were most of the teams we played. Good teams find a way to win. We never came up with the big hit or defensive play. Hell, everyone in the stands held their breath every time a ball was hit on the infield. This team was too talented to put up such a poor showing.

Dad04... I will never say that girl scouts with good leadership can win the college world series. You have to have the talent. This program has gotten to the point where we get the talent. The missing link is the leadership/attitude/swagger whatever you want to call it.

I am fully behind this program and have spent 20 of my 23 years sitting in those stands watching the game I love. I would have given everything I had to wear that uniform. Tony has built a program where we expect to win.

Hopefully this feeling festers during the offseason and we come out with a bang. I will be renewing my season tickets as soon as possible and will begin my 21st year of Cajun baseball next spring. _

Once again you did not SEE the player you're talking about at a party right? How do you know he went out and partied? I mean you're always at bars stalking baseball players how come you didn't see him out partying with all his friends screaming woohoo the season is over I'm so happy. You have no idea what that player or what any players did that night unless you yourself who apparently are always lurking (speaks well for your character) around bars talked to/harassed the player.

I don't know what sitting in the bleachers for 20 years qualifies for? Why do people on this board have to try and qualify themselves for something by saying they played HS baseball or they have been at every game this year. You're no more qualified than my grandma, so stop giving everyone your ''credentials''. That goes for not only just you so don't get too offended.

I'm not trying to insult, I'm trying to prove to you and other people on this board that this board is not to BASH our players. 20 years in the bleachers half drunk talking to your friends doesn't give anyone the right to bash an individual that does get to suit up 60 games a year for a D1 program. If anyone has been insulting people its YOU. So either post the team needs better defense, offense, pitching, or whatever you want. But, stalk players around just to get some dirt to write on this board or assuming you know what a player did when you didn't see them out partying all night can't be tolerated. I'm pretty sure that if any of those players were face to face with you they would show you how much heart they put into each time they stepped on the field.

[Turner]

I love it when ex ball players competitive testosterone kicks in on what it takes to win. Even if the ball player went winless on the field he knows more about winning than a fan in the stands. Fans know more about how to enjoy a win and ball players know more about how to put he game behind them. Except and until it's really behind them.

[CajunRage]

Once again you did not SEE the player you're talking about at a party right? How do you know he went out and partied? I mean you're always at bars stalking baseball players how come you didn't see him out partying with all his friends screaming woohoo the season is over I'm so happy. You have no idea what that player or what any players did that night unless you yourself who apparently are always lurking (speaks well for your character) around bars talked to/harassed the player.

I don't know what sitting in the bleachers for 20 years qualifies for? Why do people on this board have to try and qualify themselves for something by saying they played HS baseball or they have been at every game this year. You're no more qualified than my grandma, so stop giving everyone your ''credentials''. That goes for not only just you so don't get too offended.

I'm not trying to insult, I'm trying to prove to you and other people on this board that this board is not to BASH our players. 20 years in the bleachers half drunk talking to your friends doesn't give anyone the right to bash an individual that does get to suit up 60 games a year for a D1 program. If anyone has been insulting people its YOU. So either post the team needs better defense, offense, pitching, or whatever you want. But, stalk players around just to get some dirt to write on this board or assuming you know what a player did when you didn't see them out partying all night can't be tolerated. I'm pretty sure that if any of those players were face to face with you they would show you how much heart they put into each time they stepped on the field.

Where this stalking stuff came from, I have no idea. I was at Legend's after the game just like 100 other cajun baseball fans and I saw what I saw that one time. You seem to be making as much up as you claim I am.

Funny you say talk about how the team needs better defense, offense, pitching. That's what this all started as. How to you get better defense, offense, and pitching? We had the talent. We needed someone to step up and take charge.