State and BR copy UL ... again

[Cajunsmike]

_ Yes, overall (any) schools may rank above, below or whatever.

But what-IMO gets lost in the chest pounding or castigation on both sides-are a couple of things. First, like in most things you get out what you put into it. If you work hard and are into a ciriculum, then you are probably going to master whatever it is. Obviously teachers can get you more excited or less excited about the material. Second, different people like or dislike different things about schools. Some like bigger, some like smaller. I knew people from Lafayette who hated LSU or BR-it was too big or whatever. I knew people who loved it. I think both schools have things going for them that can appeal to different types of people. I think if you work hard at either you end up with a good degree and can do well in a profession if you work hard and take care of business. _

In my 30 years in the business world, I have noticed that where you went to school is not a good indicator of likely success. I have worked with people from Nicholls who contribute more than those from places like Stanford or A&M.

[Sonsissymia]

_ Bob Petitt was at LSU in the 50's. At about the same time, the Cajuns were starting to do well in Division 2. I believe Pete Maravich's senior year was Bo Lamar's freshman year. I don't know how much of a crowd LSU was getting during the Petitt years but I know everyone loved to watch Pete as he was such a showman. In the remaing three years, LSU basketball fell off the face of the earth while the Cajuns prospered tremendously. Dale Brown was hired at about the same time the Cajuns were hit with probation. _

was it probation, or one of the only two times my memory tells me a school got the death penalty? turbine?

[Turbine]

_ turb, you're the research guy--tell me: what came first, pistol pete's years, or the usl top 10 ranking? what came first, bob petit's final four sec champs or usl's top 10 ranking? turb, i know it's a ul board, and of course it's going to be slanted hard in favor of all things local, but you are a pretty bright guy, it appears to me--when really stupid things are posted, i could see you ignoring them in deference to the party line, but to actively jump on board? i don't get it, you're better than that. _

I'm not saying coaches and players and fans didn't want to win, but there is a huge difference between wanting/hoping to win and an institutional focus on the same. In view of that it seems to me the attempted connect using the success of Petit and Marivich to an LSU focus on basketball does not fit.

It would be like saying the UL administration was focused on football when Cagle, Dark, Mitchell, and Delhomme played here. Being fortunate to have certain players who bring success does not truly mean the school was focused.

Petit and Marivich were good fortune/gifts for LSU, Petit the local boy, Pete the coach’s son. The real focus on winning in basketball came later, coincidentally not long after UL visited the top 10.

Having said that I find nothing wrong with LSU focusing on what they did, when they did. The timeline of focus however is undeniable, not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Just1More]

_ was it probation, or one of the only two times my memory tells me a school got the death penalty? turbine? _

It was not referred to as the "death penalty" until we called it that. It was a 2 year "death penalty" and a 2 year probation. It essentially eliminated our basketball program for 4 years. There were much more severe infractions by programs prior to that time. The problem for U S L was that they had been warned about some rumors of infractions, self-imposed what they thought would control these issues and reported these measures to the NCAA, but when it was determined that those controls did not manage to eliminate some flagrant public assistance to some of the basketball players, the NCAA came down extremely hard. It was a hard lesson to learn, and many programs have inacted measures to keep over-active fans from assisting student-athletes, while working with the NCAA to see how far they can go to funnel money (thru "legitimate vehicles") into the pockets of athletes... and the best of the best have found methods to assist their athletes with high paying summer jobs, etc. There is a significant amount of cash and benefits that still go into a large number of athletes all over the place, is very difficult to track, and as long as the NCAA thinks that it is fairly common, isn't blatant, or does not get reported by a student-ahtlete, they tend to turn a blind eye.

[Turbine]

_ was it probation, or one of the only two times my memory tells me a school got the death penalty? turbine? _

Death!

All I know is in the course of basketball probate LSU was in the will.

[LsuULfan]

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Having said that I find nothing wrong with LSU focusing on what they did, when they did. The timeline of focus however is undeniable, not that there's anything wrong with that. _

A few things
-the Pete Maravich era was 1967-1970
-The Assembly Center (now the PMAC) was opened for the 71-72 season
-After Pete left, in 70-71 Press went 14-12, in 71-72 he went 10-16

Given the excitement Pete had brought and the new building that had just opened, its not surprising LSU wanted to make a move to try to reinvigorate the program. And while, looking back, Dale ended up after a while having a lot of success, it wasn't like we went out and hired some hotshot coach. Dale was not a hot commodity when hired.

I do find your cause/effect deniable.

[Turbine]

I do find your cause/effect deniable. _

On a tunnel vision case by case basis a denial perhaps can be presented.

The "timeline of focus" however refers to the incremental step by step growth focus of the whole athletic program.

There existed an undeniable glove like fitting tied to the success of other Louisiana schools.

jmo

[cajun4life]

was it probation, or one of the only two times my memory tells me a school got the death penalty? turbine?

As we all know a major program will never be hit with the Death Penalty again. Case in point USC with the Bush/Mayo show, or the LSU program with GA taking tests and doing homework not to mention Berkman and the free luxury apt for baseball player to OU's 90 grand a year qb.

Apples to oranges my man.

[LsuULfan]

_ On a tunnel vision case by case basis a denial perhaps can be presented.

The "timeline of focus" however refers to the incremental step by step growth focus of the whole athletic program.

There existed an undeniable glove like fitting tied to the success of other Louisiana schools.

jmo _

Suppose one man's tunnel vision is anothers mantra/agenda.

Later

[Turbine]

_ Suppose one man's tunnel vision is anothers mantra/agenda.

Later _

Fair enough but I have no interest in looking at the other cases one at a time.

[Turbine]

_ A few things
-the Pete Maravich era was 1967-1970
-The Assembly Center (now the PMAC) was opened for the 71-72 season
-After Pete left, in 70-71 Press went 14-12, in 71-72 he went 10-16

Given the excitement Pete had brought and the new building that had just opened, its not surprising LSU wanted to make a move to try to reinvigorate the program. And while, looking back, Dale ended up after a while having a lot of success, it wasn't like we went out and hired some hotshot coach. Dale was not a hot commodity when hired.

I do find your cause/effect deniable. _

I have sat back, thought about your post, taken a long slow drive, and have changed my mind.

Looking at the speed with which LSU acted on the phenomenon that was Pistol Pete. My stance is deniable and debatable.

[tLSU]

I graduate in a week and then I'm off to the best law school in the state: Tulane. (LSU got whipped in the bar passage rate competition this year, BTW.) I look forward to working as a UL alumni to ensure that our school continues to flourish and expand, despite the attempts by LSUA&M-BR to usurp our every achievement. _

LSU absolutely dominates the state in bar passage rates, not that bar passage rates are remotely relevant in any way whatsoever as to determine what the "best" law school is, since the bar exam is in no way an indication of one's proficiency in the practice of law. Trying to point out the 2 or 3 times Tulane has marginally snuck past LSU in bar passage rates is foolish to say the least.

Both LSU and Loyola dominate the state in emplyoment rates upon graduation and starting salaries as well.